Lost Series 4- Discussion Thread, spoilers guaranteed Options

[Jessopjessopjess...]

Here we are again. Series 3 has ended on a number of "WTFs", and was superbly entertaining in the lead-up to the big finale.

Now we must wait until next year to see what happens next. Post your thoughts here in the usual fashion!

One possible scenario is a whole season featuring flashbacks to... the island!

From the 'present' time as seen in Jack's flash-forward, we could see their inevitable rescue and escape through flashbacks, with each episode taking place in the real world...maybe with the ultimate goal of returning to the island.

Fire away.

[Julie]

Food for though:

In the flash forward, Jack says: "You get my father down here, and if he's more drunk than I am..."

Wasn't Jack's father dead?

Could this be drunk ramblings? Or have things gone awry in timeline?

[Ingram]

I noticed they never affirmed or denied that Jack's father was around, so I went on the assumption that he was indeed dead (as the story goes) and it was just a drunken rant - especially with the "don't pity me" line afterwards.

This post has been edited by Ingram: May 27 2007, 06:53 PM

[Stella MM]

Food for though:

In the flash forward, Jack says:  "You get my father down here, and if he's more drunk than I am..."

Wasn't Jack's father dead?

Could this be drunk ramblings?  Or have things gone awry in timeline?

I assumed it was total denial.

Here's another question: the writers in the Lost podcast said we'd see the Big Foot again before the end of the series. Did we? And what the flump is it?

[Jessopjessopjess...]

I noticed they never affirmed or denied that Jack's father was around, so I went on the assumption that he was indeed dead (as the story goes) and it was just a drunken rant - especially with the "don't pity me" line afterwards.

As strange as it seems, any other explanation is more unlikely ie: it was a) actually a flashback, b) His dad returns from the dead after they leave the island, c) he wasn't dead in the first place, etc, etc.

As for the giant foot, we didn't see that again!

[Sostie]

Jack's talk of his dad I put down to drunk ramblings...and a way to throw the viewers of the flash forward scent.

I initially thought the person in the coffin was either Sawyer or Ben. Thinking perhaps it may be Juliet!

[ipse dixit]

I initially thought the person in the coffin was either Sawyer or Ben.  Thinking perhaps it may be Juliet!

I'm liking Ben for Coffin Boy. Reckon Juliet dies in the island escape, which is part of the reason Jack is so torn up, saying to Kate that they "weren't supposed to leave" and is so desperate to get back.

[Sostie]

One question raised in Series 3 that some may forget to question. If the current "others" are not actually members of the Dharma Initiative, but original islanders that killed the DI, does the DI know this happened? And if so, why are (were) they still supporting those on the Island and sending people there?

[ipse dixit]

^ Very good point. I guess we can only assume that they're not aware of the situation. Perhaps that's why someone remained in the hatch to enter the numbers, and Mikhail stayed in the communications ranch - to maintain the illusion to DI that all was well.

In which case, now that the hatch has blown, perhaps the mainland DI people are on their way - maybe that's who Naomi's there with.

[Ade]

One question raised in Series 3 that some may forget to question.  If the current "others" are not actually members of the Dharma Initiative, but original islanders that killed the DI, does the DI know this happened? And if so, why are (were) they still supporting those on the Island and sending people there?

Excellent point, yes.

^ Very good point. I guess we can only assume that they're not aware of the situation. Perhaps that's why someone remained in the hatch to enter the numbers, and Mikhail stayed in the communications ranch - to maintain the illusion to DI that all was well.

In which case, now that the hatch has blown, perhaps the mainland DI people are on their way - maybe that's who Naomi's there with.

I reckon you has it about right, there.


Even so, something tells me there'll be much deeper mystery/double bluff/double cross, etc to unfold beyond even that hypothesis. It's 'Lost', innit?

This post has been edited by Ade: May 29 2007, 12:11 AM

[thirtyhelens]

I assumed it was total denial.

Or the oxycodone talking.

Here's another question: the writers in the Lost podcast said we'd see the Big Foot again before the end of the series. Did we? And what the flump is it?

We didn't. They dropped that ball. Forty eight eps left, tho, so plenty of time to pick it up.

[ipse dixit]

Curiouser and curiouser...

OK - so Jack was on an Oceanic flight using a golden pass  - but Oceanic shut down after the original crash - from the Oceanic website:

"Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines, released this statement: "After 25 years of service, we are forced to close our doors. Due to financial difficulties in the wake of the Flight 815 tragedy, we are no longer able to sustain service. We are deeply sorry that we can no longer serve our loyal customers, and apologize for any inconvenience our decision will cause."

So just to complicate matters - it may be the future but an entirely different timeline - one in which Jack's Dad is still alive, Kate is not on the run and Oceanic are still in existence - Think about it in terms of Donnie Darko - if they don't die / stay on the island, shit things happen to them anyway to the extent that Jack reeeeally wants to go back. (I've given up on the flash back theory as apparently the funeral directors was called hoffs/drawlar which is an anagram of flash forward)

Interestingly when I copied it from the website I also picked up this sub-text hidden underneath:

"If anyone should find this message, please get word I'm alive and stranded on an island somewhere in the South Pacific. Please send help soon. Things are bad. And they're getting worse...
Sally"

Who the snood is Sally?

This is all terribly confusing.

[Ingram]

Your flatmate is quite excellent for all that, good knowledge. I am completely stumped as to where the flash forward fits in, and if indeed it is an alternate timeline. It's a fair assumption to link Ben's warnings about the people who want to find the island (Jack and Kate's erstwhile rescuers in the flashforwards?) and the way Jack feels about leaving the island. It's not entirely tracking though, I mean, why does Kate not have the same sense of remorse that Jack has? Granted his hero complex could have been massively dented by the knowledge that it was his direct action against Locke and Ben that led to the 'rescue' and the events that immediately preceded and followed. I think there might be some merit to the view that the island possesses an organic and addictive force; again, however, we are left wondering why Jack is affected and Kate seems not to be. There are lots of practical considerations too, with Kate still free we must assume that she shielded her identity and, perhaps, maintained that FugitiveKate died on the island - assuming another identity for convenience and then going back on the run.

...it's all quite hard to think about. I don't know if we've been given anywhere near enough information to piece it together. All I know is I'm really looking forward to series four now.

[thirtyhelens]

Casting news, and given the nature of this one it probably needs a spoiler tag even in the spoiler thread:

Mercutio, er, Michael is back!!!

[Peronel]

Casting news, and given the nature of this one it probably needs a spoiler tag even in the spoiler thread:

Mercutio, er, Michael is back!!!

Hooray! I'm assuming this will take the form of a "what the fuck happened to you guys?" episode, full of flashbacks which will serve to highlight how amazingly fast Walt has grown in the, what, 20 days since they left?