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 Mar 2 2005, 05:24 PM
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How many shows have Trek made now?
You've got The Original series, Next Gen, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise and ten films. How many times have we had a REALLY god look at life on Twenty-Third century Earth? Apart from the odd glimpse (like Oxford University in All good Things) not very often. How about a Trek show about a shadowy Starfleet Special Forces Unit that handles all the stuff that threatens humanity on Earth. Romulan Agents and the like. Bugger the final frontier. |
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Mar 2 2005, 06:45 PM
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Space Cowboy  Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
I wouldn't want to see that, as I see it as taking some of the more dubious aspects of the later Trek series and expanding on them.
The original series was about peaceful co-operation between different races (those within the Federation anyway) and was about people working to over-come intolerance, discrimination and prejudice - something along the lines of what is suggested above would be more in the mold of James Bond than Trek. Sadly that seems to be more the way Trek is going . . . |
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Mar 2 2005, 06:47 PM
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never rub another man's rhubarb Group: Senior Members Posts: 5,714 Joined: 2-October 04 Member No.: 2,308 |
QUOTE (Raven @ Mar 2 2005, 06:45 PM) The original series was about peaceful co-operation between different races (those within the Federation anyway) and was about people working to over-come intolerance, discrimination and prejudice  And Kirk having sex with alien dolly birds. I felt sorry for Picard. Kirk got laid all the time, I only saw Picard with a woman once and it didn't work out. |
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Mar 2 2005, 06:53 PM
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Space Cowboy Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
QUOTE (whitey @ Mar 2 2005, 06:47 PM) And Kirk having sex with alien dolly birds. I felt sorry for Picard. Kirk got laid all the time, I only saw Picard with a woman once and it didn't work out. Yeah and that . . .  Picard did get it together with a few different women over the course of the TV series and the films but he was never the womanizer that Kirk was! |
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Mar 2 2005, 06:54 PM
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never rub another man's rhubarb Group: Senior Members Posts: 5,714 Joined: 2-October 04 Member No.: 2,308 |
He didn't get to shoot as much stuff either. Kirk was quite white trash really. All "guns n pussy."
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Mar 2 2005, 06:56 PM
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Space Cowboy Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
QUOTE (whitey @ Mar 2 2005, 06:54 PM) He didn't get to shoot as much stuff either. Kirk was quite white trash really. All "guns n pussy." He was definitely over-compensating for something . . . 
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Mar 2 2005, 07:01 PM
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never rub another man's rhubarb Group: Senior Members Posts: 5,714 Joined: 2-October 04 Member No.: 2,308 |
Trek has always aggravated me because none of the characters seem flawed enough. Everybody's really polite and knows their place in the federation hierarchy. It doesn't seem real to me. I'd like to see Picard stumbling around the ship drunk one night, trying to drive the Enterprise on his own, stalling it and scraping it against Voyager trying to parallel park. Taking a swing at Worf when he tries to restrain him. We've all done it.
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Mar 2 2005, 07:16 PM
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Space Cowboy Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
Trek is obviously an idealized view of the future but what's so wrong about having a show that is being positive about where humanity is going?
Look at just about every other sci-fi franchise and they are set in a dystopia, Star Trek is one of the few that is set in a utopia and I think that is one of the reasons why it has proved so popular over the years - it shows that people can work together and work out their differences. Granted, at the moment it's a pipe dream, but does that make it wrong to believe that people can change? (and a lot of the Trek characters have stumbled in their time, granted not as much as you or I but none of them have been perfect by any means). |
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Mar 2 2005, 07:30 PM
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never rub another man's rhubarb Group: Senior Members Posts: 5,714 Joined: 2-October 04 Member No.: 2,308 |
True, the comfortable niceness of a Universe where everyone gets along and is considerate is one of the best aspects of the show. I just always felt it could have used a couple of characters who hate their job or something. Show up late, fumble a mission through incompetence, shit like that.
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 Mar 2 2005, 07:47 PM
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Space Cowboy Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
QUOTE (whitey @ Mar 2 2005, 07:30 PM) I just always felt it could have used a couple of characters who hate their job or something. Show up late, fumble a mission through incompetence, shit like that. You never saw an episode of Voyager with Harry Kim or Neelix did you . . .
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Mar 2 2005, 07:48 PM
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never rub another man's rhubarb Group: Senior Members Posts: 5,714 Joined: 2-October 04 Member No.: 2,308 |
Nah. Beyond TNG my Trek experience is quite limited.
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Mar 2 2005, 07:56 PM
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Space Cowboy Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
If you want characters with flaws then I can recommend DS9, that was a lot more gritty than TNG
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Mar 2 2005, 07:57 PM
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never rub another man's rhubarb Group: Senior Members Posts: 5,714 Joined: 2-October 04 Member No.: 2,308 |
Maybe I'm wrong about what I want then. I hated DS9. Bored me silly.
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Mar 2 2005, 08:05 PM
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Space Cowboy Group: Blokes in Charge Posts: 14,557 Joined: 1-October 04 From: Mercy Member No.: 2,262 |
QUOTE (whitey @ Mar 2 2005, 07:57 PM) Maybe I'm wrong about what I want then. I hated DS9. Bored me silly. Did you see the later seasons? It was a bit "dry" for the first two/three. Got interesting when the Klingons showed up
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Mar 2 2005, 08:07 PM
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Young Roberts could not face another moussaka Group: Senior Members Posts: 715 Joined: 23-February 05 From: Norway/Oxford Member No.: 3,477 |
If is say "Star Trek's a big pile of shit", how many people will shout "get out!"?
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