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monkeyman
post Mar 1 2010, 11:14 AM
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What endings did you get? I'll spoiler mi e in case you want to discover them for yourself (and for people whohavent played yet)

Mine were: Ethan,Madison and Shaun move into a new apartment together; Jayden is on TV, throws the drugs away and then sees the ARI tanks without the glasses on; Lauren spits on Shelbys grave.
I think that's about it. Seems I must've got the best endings for everyone.

A few plot holes/unexplained things I didn't like (though maybe you find out if things go different: Ethan blacks out then always wakes up at the same place with an Origami dog (it's carnaby square isn't it? Where Shelbys brother dies?). This was never explained and it seemed a bit silly. It's supposed to make him suspicious of being the killer though I didn't believe it for a second. And it's left completely unexplained. Why does he go there? Why does ge have origami figures in his hand?

I also thought Ethan was a fanny with the trials. I would have read all the clues, written each one down then rushed to them all as quick as I could. He does one at a time and fannies about wasting so much time between each one. Also he read them in too convenient an order. What if he'd got to the poison one first? ( I didn't drink the "poison" as I figured I could work out the location from what I had).

I also thought it was silly that Shelby was supposed to have killed the typewriter guy but you, as the player controlling him, don't see it.

Still. None of it was enough to make me dislike the game. Just a few things I thought were silly. Though maybe someone will point out how wrong I am smile.gif


The ending credits were bitching as well.

Also thought it was odd there was no consequence for killing that guy as Ethan. I guess he could have lied and said Shelby was physically there and forced him to do it. I wasn't expecting to get the happy Ethan ending as i'd killed that bloke.

I was thinking back on some choices and how different it might have made my outcomes. I'm looking forward to trying things out.
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post Mar 1 2010, 11:33 AM
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I don't think I want to know actually as I'm not sure if the muderer changes. What I'll do is show you my ending (if you want to read it) and then tell me if it's much different to yours. Though I'm not sure where to start.

As Ethan, I finished all 5 trials and got to the warehouse and was confronted by the murderer, Scott Shelby. As I tried to get my son out of the grate Scott pulled a gun on me but was tackled by Norman Jared who then chased after him and had a fight with him on a conveyor belt. In the meantime, Ethan got Shaun out and gave him the kiss of life reviving him. Madison turned up outside and tried to tell the police that Ethan was innocent. She then tried to escape on her bike but I fucked that up and she got locked up in a police car. Jared, knocked Scott into a grinder and then managed to struggle to safety. Ethan then left the warehouse with all the helicopter lights on him and holding his broken ribs which he'd sustained from the car accident in the first trial. Blake, thinking he was reaching for a gun gave the order to open fire and Ethan was shot dead.

Madison writes a book about the murders, Jared is hailed a hero but goes mad with tanks from the ARI driving all over the desk, Blake is suspended and shaun and his mum are left weeping on their his dead father's grave.

I'm going to try and redo the last scene and not fuck up Madison's bike chase but it was solid and I'm not sure how much difference it will make. I'm pretty sure that the broken ribs from the car accident at the very start is what made the difference between life and death for Ethan at the end


So, how does that stack up with yours? Am I safe to read your spoilers?
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post Mar 1 2010, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE (Jimmay @ Mar 1 2010, 11:33 AM) *
I don't think I want to know actually as I'm not sure if the muderer changes. What I'll do is show you my ending (if you want to read it) and then tell me if it's much different to yours. Though I'm not sure where to start.

As Ethan, I finished all 5 trials and got to the warehouse and was confronted by the murderer, Scott Shelby. As I tried to get my son out of the grate Scott pulled a gun on me but was tackled by Norman Jared who then chased after him and had a fight with him on a conveyor belt. In the meantime, Ethan got Shaun out and gave him the kiss of life reviving him. Madison turned up outside and tried to tell the police that Ethan was innocent. She then tried to escape on her bike but I fucked that up and she got locked up in a police car. Jared, knocked Scott into a grinder and then managed to struggle to safety. Ethan then left the warehouse with all the helicopter lights on him and holding his broken ribs which he'd sustained from the car accident in the first trial. Blake, thinking he was reaching for a gun gave the order to open fire and Ethan was shot dead.

Madison writes a book about the murders, Jared is hailed a hero but goes mad with tanks from the ARI driving all over the desk, Blake is suspended and shaun and his mum are left weeping on their his dead father's grave.

I'm going to try and redo the last scene and not fuck up Madison's bike chase but it was solid and I'm not sure how much difference it will make. I'm pretty sure that the broken ribs from the car accident at the very start is what made the difference between life and death for Ethan at the end


So, how does that stack up with yours? Am I safe to read your spoilers?

Oh wow. Don't read my spoilers I you want to be discover the endings yourself (I also mention what I didn't like about the game/story). The killer is the same (I'm pretty sure the killer won't change) but my ending with all three characters is very different from yours (well Jaydens is mostly the same). Awesome. I'll just say my endings were a much happier affair then yours laugh.gif

EDIT: I can't edit my previous post so I'll add it here. I wanted to ad more detail about my ending with Ethan so you cancompare it to yours at some point if you like

I dud all trials except the poison one. I figured I had enough clues to work out the location and I did luckily. In mine the start was the same in that Jayden stops Shelby shooting Ethan as he lifts the grate off of his son. He revives Shaun alright. Madison shows up and busts her way in to meet up with Ethan. All three of them walk out together (ethan carrying Shaun) and don't get shot.
Jayden fights Shelby, I offered to save him the first time he almost fell into the grinder. He then tried to boot me in. Eventually Jayden kicks him into the grinder.

Ethan, Madison and Sgaun move into an apartment together. Jayden is in magazines and on a talk show; he throws away his drugs; then he starts seeing little ARI tanks without wearing his ARI glasses. I'm sure he smirked and that that is his best ending though.

Then we see Lauren spitting on Shelbys grave.

So those were my endings.

I want to ask something about the trials did you shoot the guy for the (I think) Rat trial? I assume so from what you said. Did you feel like a right bastard afterwards?

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post Mar 1 2010, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE (monkeyman @ Mar 1 2010, 01:50 PM) *
Oh wow. Don't read my spoilers I you want to be discover the endings yourself (I also mention what I didn't like about the game/story). The killer is the same (I'm pretty sure the killer won't change) but my ending with all three characters is very different from yours (well Jaydens is mostly the same). Awesome. I'll just say my endings were a much happier affair then yours laugh.gif


Well I'm not sure actually. I'm pretty sure that the killer could be Ethan with not too much of a stretch. When Ann Sheppard tells Madison what her son's name is it could easily change direction at that point. I'll have a retry at the bike bit tonight and see if I can do it.
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post Mar 1 2010, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE (Jimmay @ Mar 1 2010, 01:57 PM) *
Well I'm not sure actually. I'm pretty sure that the killer could be Ethan with not too much of a stretch. When Ann Sheppard tells Madison what her son's name is it could easily change direction at that point. I'll have a retry at the bike bit tonight and see if I can do it.

I guess so. Having said that though from the final revelations I have a hard time transplanting Ethan into Shelbys shoes. Purely because throughout the whole game he's really just trying to clean up any evidence against him. The way it's been structured I guess it's possible. Ethan could just steal all the evidence from Shelby to burn it. The twin brother could say Ethan instead of Scottie etc. I'm not too sure if they're going to let that happen though .
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post Mar 1 2010, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE (monkeyman @ Mar 1 2010, 02:22 PM) *
I guess so. Having said that though from the final revelations I have a hard time transplanting Ethan into Shelbys shoes. Purely because throughout the whole game he's really just trying to clean up any evidence against him. The way it's been structured I guess it's possible. Ethan could just steal all the evidence from Shelby to burn it. The twin brother could say Ethan instead of Scottie etc. I'm not too sure if they're going to let that happen though .


Well the main thing is that Ethan waking up in weird places with the origami in his hand and blacking out and stuff like that doesn't really factor in at the end at all. It's all just sort of glossed over. It never really added up having him as the killer anyway as he was in a coma for 6 months and the killings started a year before that. Maybe you're right about the killer never changing. What a game though!
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post Mar 1 2010, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE (Jimmay @ Mar 1 2010, 02:29 PM) *
Well the main thing is that Ethan waking up in weird places with the origami in his hand and blacking out and stuff like that doesn't really factor in at the end at all. It's all just sort of glossed over. It never really added up having him as the killer anyway as he was in a coma for 6 months and the killings started a year before that. Maybe you're right about the killer never changing. What a game though!

What a game indeed. The plot holes and general gameplay flaws can't take away from how awesome an experience it was.

I also hold some hope that thr DLC might delve into Ethans blackouts at some point. Sure he might not be the killer in any version of the game but I still want to know why he does what he does in his blacked out state.
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post Mar 1 2010, 04:03 PM
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Excellent news.

Heavy Rain arrived through my letterbox last week. I probably won't get a chance to play it (or Dragon Age: Orgins for that matter, although Bronagh seems to be enjoying that) until at least next week though, but now I'm really looking forward to it.
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post Mar 1 2010, 04:17 PM
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Deoending on your PS3 it's probably best you can't play it for a while... http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/01/...gle+Feedfetcher
Some games won't even work in offline mode apparantly.
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post Mar 1 2010, 04:32 PM
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Yeah mine is one of the big fat old ones alright.
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post Mar 1 2010, 04:58 PM
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Just checked my ps3 and the date had gone back to 2000, but I was able to change it manually which others are saying they couldn't, I think I've lost trophies but I don't care about it, and I tried a game and it came on as normal. I hope that's the end of that as I'm not connected to psn and will have to wait for a fix.
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post Mar 1 2010, 05:00 PM
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I just finished Bioshock 2 and it certainly lived up to the standards set by the first game whilst adding just enough new content to keep it fresh. Great plot and solid gameplay, top stuff.
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post Mar 1 2010, 07:08 PM
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But why does Normal jayden say his name 'Naarman Jaydan'
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post Mar 2 2010, 07:21 AM
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The issue seems to be resolved now. I imagine there's a firmware incoming soon.
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post Mar 2 2010, 08:59 AM
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Some Portal 2 news (sort of) http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3178172
Interesting.
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