thirtyhelens
Jul 13 2005, 06:10 AM
I got the idea for this on the Frostitution/Peggster boards, where we got into a debate on
Jackie Brown earlier. I think it's his best for a number of reasons and I know I'm in the minority, but also that I'm not alone on that, either. (I gave the analogy that the
Jackie Brown fans are like the Romero fans whose favorite is
Day of the Dead - in the minority, but fierce about their opinion.

)
I put
Kill Bill as a single option since it was originally intended as one film.
Ingram
Jul 13 2005, 06:25 AM
I love them all. I'd have to say Pulp Fiction though if only to hear Samuel L Jackson say "Royale with Cheese" and of course "Ezekiel 25:17".
thirtyhelens
Jul 13 2005, 06:30 AM
See, he has all my favorite lines in
Jackie Brown, too.
"Damn, girl...I bet you come in here on a Saturday night, you need nigga repellant to keep them mo'fuckas off yo ass!"
spacegurl
Jul 13 2005, 08:01 AM
As much as everyone goes on about Kill Bill and Resevoir Dogs, I think they are overated.
But, on the other hand, I flippin love Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown and they are both equally as brilliant as each other. Can't choose...
Jinx
Jul 13 2005, 08:19 AM
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Jul 13 2005, 07:10 AM)
I got the idea for this on the Frostitution/Peggster boards, where we got into a debate on
Jackie Brown earlier. I think it's his best for a number of reasons and I know I'm in the minority, but also that I'm not alone on that, either. (I gave the analogy that the
Jackie Brown fans are like the Romero fans whose favorite is
Day of the Dead - in the minority, but fierce about their opinion.

)
I put
Kill Bill as a single option since it was originally intended as one film.
Wha...? No True Romance?
thirtyhelens
Jul 13 2005, 08:22 AM
No True Romance, etc. - this is of films that he's directed only.
(If we're talking scripts, then yes....True Romance is a serious contender for the prize. :-D But there's where it gets tricky...original vs. adapted, you can't quite compare it to Jackie Brown on equal terms.)
Chapman Baxter
Jul 13 2005, 08:43 AM
Very, very tough choice. I'll have to think about this one. I almost lost the power to speak after seeing Reservoir Dogs and Pulp FIction for the first time, I was so blown away by them. They still stand up very well. I didn't really get Jackie Brown when I first saw it, but on repeated viewing I find it his most mature, human and affecting film. I do like Kill Bill, but it's not really in the same league.
spacegurl
Jul 13 2005, 08:52 AM
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Jul 13 2005, 09:22 AM)
But there's where it gets tricky...original vs. adapted, you can't quite compare it to
Jackie Brown on equal terms.)
But if thats true wouldn't that be the case for the others, too?
A-Friend
Jul 13 2005, 10:49 AM
I would have liked to have seen True Romance in the list as I count it as my favourite Tarantino film, but I appreciate the fact that this is a DIRECTED by list only.
In which case ... I can't decide. Had you have posed this question a couple of months ago, I probably would have said Kill Bill (mainly v1) as I went through a period of wathcing that around once a week.
I guess it depends on what I'm looking for ... I love the slick action of Kill Bill, but character wise I would probably have to say Pulp Fiction.
So ... i've not voted yet, and will ponder further.
Blind I/O
Jul 13 2005, 11:31 AM
I meant to vote for Pulp Fiction, not only because it's a very good film, but it was my introduction to Q-ball. I voted for Resevoir Dogs, because I am a sleepy tard. Could I, I'd have given each a vote, though - it's difficult to qualify his films against each other, each being as they are fantabulous.
Sostie
Jul 13 2005, 11:38 AM
One of the most difficult polls ever.
PULP FICTION is great - was so looking forward to it I planned a holiday to New York so I could see it a few months before it came out over here
JACKIE BROWN - the most un-Tarantino of Tarantino films. Benefits from the fact that it was based on someone elses writing. Great film
KILL BILL - I personally still find it hard to believe that it really was meant to be one film, the tone of the 2 differ so much. Vol 1 is a fantastically, stupid, over the top, entertaining movie. Vol.2 a slightly disappointing.
RESERVOIR DOGS - voted for this because of the impact it first had on me - I was blown away. I must have gone to see this film about 7 times at the cinema over a period of 2 years.
As far as I am concerned he has yet to make a dud, and is one of the few, maybe even only, directors, who could sell a film on his name alone.
Have to say, I think TRUE ROMANCE is the "Tarantino" film that stands up to the most repeated viewings.
Ingram
Jul 13 2005, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (Sostie @ Jul 13 2005, 12:38 PM)
Have to say, I think TRUE ROMANCE is the "Tarantino" film that stands up to the most repeated viewings.
"Sicilians, were spawned by niggers."
whitey
Jul 13 2005, 01:14 PM
QUOTE (Sostie @ Jul 13 2005, 12:38 PM)
RESERVOIR DOGS - voted for this because of the impact it first had on me - I was blown away. I must have gone to see this film about 7 times at the cinema over a period of 2 years.
That's pretty much my answer.
A-Friend
Jul 13 2005, 01:26 PM
QUOTE (Ingram @ Jul 13 2005, 01:43 PM)
"Sicilians, were spawned by niggers."
I love that whole scene in his trailer. In fact, there is nothing I DON'T love about that film!!
Do we know WHY Tarantino didn't direct that one?
Stantz
Jul 13 2005, 02:01 PM
Reservoir Dogs,
im glad to see no ones voted for kill bill, its so rubbish
Blind I/O
Jul 13 2005, 02:04 PM
QUOTE (Stantz @ Jul 13 2005, 03:01 PM)
im glad to see no ones voted for kill bill, its so rubbish
Nah
whitey
Jul 13 2005, 02:09 PM
It's not his best film but it's far from rubbish. I loved it.
A-Friend
Jul 13 2005, 02:20 PM
I agree with Whitey - its definitely not rubbish in my opinion. I could quite happily watch it at any given moment.
whixie
Jul 13 2005, 02:21 PM
I was torn between Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs but I went for the latter, possibly because I was young when I first saw it and had never really seen anything like it. Jackie Brown just didn't grab me as much as either of them and I wasn't a massive Kill Bill fan but I didn't think it was rubbish either.
Starscream`s Ghost
Jul 13 2005, 02:56 PM
Reservoir Dogs for me, with Kill Bill a very close second.
I guess what I love about RD is the fact it`s so...simple. Heist goes wrong, the bad guys panic, and try to find out who ratted them out. I love that. It harks back to 1940s films, albeit with a heck of a lot more violence, and swearing.
gulfcoast_highwayman
Jul 13 2005, 03:39 PM
It's between Pulp Fiction and Resevoir Dogs for me.
Fiction wins because I've always felt that Dogs has a slightly stagey edge to it.
Lazlo Woodbine
Jul 13 2005, 04:32 PM
Tempted as i am to go for Jackie Brown just to be different i know deep down i love Pulp Fiction more.
Ingram
Jul 13 2005, 04:33 PM
Being a huge Tarantino I agree that all of hims films are watchable at any time. I am rarely not in the mood for any of his films. However I am including some of his other projects:
Four Rooms
True Romance
From Dusk Till Dawn
et al.
thirtyhelens
Jul 13 2005, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (spacegurl @ Jul 13 2005, 12:52 AM)
But if thats true wouldn't that be the case for the others, too?
Oooh, splitta hair!

You know what I mean. (i.e. having a very specific source material, i.e. the Elmore Leonard book.)
(looks at results thusfar) My theory proven...
I didn't include the non-directorial efforts because I wanted to see what everyone's opinion was of the core films, the ones he's well and truly got his name on. In many ways,
True Romance is pure Tony Scott, even though the script is pure QT and like I said before, possibly his best.
spacegurl
Jul 13 2005, 05:37 PM
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Jul 13 2005, 06:15 PM)
Oooh, splitta hair!

You know what I mean. (i.e. having a very specific source material, i.e. the Elmore Leonard book.)
No, I think i'm just confused.

I thought Jackie Brown was the only adapted one and that you didn't want to compare orginal and adapted, but it's included... oh, I think it'll just be best if i shut up now...
Blind I/O
Jul 13 2005, 05:45 PM
QUOTE (spacegurl @ Jul 13 2005, 06:37 PM)
No, I think i'm just confused.

I thought Jackie Brown was the only adapted one and that you didn't want to compare orginal and adapted, but it's included... oh, I think it'll just be best if i shut up now...
QUOTE
The screenplay is based on the novel Rum Punch by American novelist Elmore Leonard, although Tarantino made considerable changes to the story line and characters
"He ripped it off"
spacegurl
Jul 13 2005, 05:51 PM
QUOTE (Blind I/O @ Jul 13 2005, 06:45 PM)
I've read Leonard's book, but i thought Jackie Brown was the only one of Tarantino's movie to have been adapted from another soure, and therefore would be the odd one out.
whitey
Jul 13 2005, 05:54 PM
QUOTE (A-Friend @ Jul 13 2005, 03:20 PM)
I'll never tire of hearing that.
Sostie
Jul 13 2005, 05:58 PM
QUOTE (spacegurl @ Jul 13 2005, 05:37 PM)
No, I think i'm just confused.

I thought Jackie Brown was the only adapted one
It could be argued that RESERVOIR DOGS was adapted as well, seeing that its resemblence to the Hong Kong film City On Fire is a little more than uncanny.
On the subject of KILL BILL, I know a lot of people that hate it, and I can understand why. Its one of those "love it or hate it" films. One reason I love it is because it subscribes to the following equation
WOMEN + SWORDS + KUNG-FU = GOOD
No mention of NATURAL BORN KILLERS. It gets a slagging (mainly by Tarantino), but I think its a great film. After reading the original screenplay, I think its much better than it would have been if it stayed close to the source material. Worth seeing for the breakneck editing. And the Trent Reznor soundtrack is one of the best.
Blind I/O
Jul 13 2005, 06:03 PM
I'd say all of his films have some degree of unoriginality to them; his "references and homages" to both cult and popular films often tend to be more integral and widespread than they would in most films.
I can't say I've read Rum Punch, so I don't know to what degree he changed it, but Jackie Brown tends to be ascribed status of more "original adaptation" than the standard "screenplay" credit given to most adaptations. Tarantino gets the writing credit for JB, so I'd say it's as original as his others, which are the products of the mind of a film geek who worked in a video store.
I forget my point.
EDIT: The heat slows my typings...
And on NBK, I've been working up the courage to see that again since I watched it when I was very, very stoned, and it absolutely terrified me to the point of curling into a ball and screaming into a cushion.
Raven
Jul 13 2005, 06:12 PM
That one with the blood, you know, and the gun . . .
Sean of the Dead
Jul 13 2005, 06:22 PM
QUOTE (Raven @ Jul 13 2005, 07:12 PM)
That one with the blood, you know, and the gun . . .
Yeah, that's a good one...
thirtyhelens
Jul 13 2005, 06:36 PM
QUOTE (Blind I/O @ Jul 13 2005, 10:03 AM)
I can't say I've read Rum Punch, so I don't know to what degree he changed it, but Jackie Brown tends to be ascribed status of more "original adaptation" than the standard "screenplay" credit given to most adaptations.
Yeah, that's pretty true, actually. Basically he took the central premise and the caper and transplanted it to his world; moved it from Florida to the South Bay region of LA (justified as "I don't really know anything about Florida, but I know my home"....and boy does he.

OK, find, it's my home too, so I'm partial. Meh!) Also, Jackie in the book is Jackie
Burke, and she's white; Quentin made the switch in order to make it a vehicle for Pam Grier. (Funny trivia: he had previously almost cast her in
Pulp Fiction in the Rosanna Arquette part. But Eric Stoltz was already cast and "nobody bought the idea of Pam taking any shit from Eric." LOL)
rabbit57i
Jul 13 2005, 07:26 PM
QUOTE (Blind I/O @ Jul 13 2005, 01:03 PM)
I'd say all of his films have some degree of unoriginality to them; his "references and homages" to both cult and popular films often tend to be more integral and widespread than they would in most films.
Oh yeah! In fact I feel that a lot of his work is more a collage made from other people's work. It's a art form that become quite popular.
fatseff1234
Jul 13 2005, 09:59 PM
i want to vote for the itchy and scratchy episode he guest directed
Hobbes
Jul 13 2005, 10:08 PM
I say Pulp Fiction, mainly due to the contribution of Christopher Walken. "This watch....my ass". Classic
Ade
Jul 13 2005, 11:38 PM
I voted for Kill Bill, just to be awkward. But I also felt it deserved a vote - I really enjoyed it, despite the varied reception it had from critics and fans alike. It was a bold move splitting it into two radically different films, and I also didn't go along with the 'style over substance' viewpoints that were banded about upon its release - I thought it was just a superb cinematic experience. And the soundtrack was cool, too.
All of Tarantino's films are brilliant in my opinion, so it was a damn tough call. I'm sure I may regret making the decision in due course, though... I so very nearly picked Pulp Fiction.
Svein
Jul 14 2005, 10:31 AM
Had to add my vote for Reservior Dogs... sheer genius!
Ingram
Jul 14 2005, 02:48 PM
Very nice to see Pulp Fiction inching ahead. Although it was definitely going to be my #1 I was convinced that Reservoir Dogs was going to be more popular on this forum.
Hobbes
Jul 14 2005, 03:46 PM
QUOTE (Ingram @ Jul 14 2005, 03:48 PM)
Very nice to see
Pulp Fiction inching ahead. Although it was definitely going to be my #1 I was convinced that
Reservoir Dogs was going to be more popular on this forum.
I had real trouble choosing between them. I watched Reservoir Dogs more recently (and it is a work of brilliance), but I felt that on general calibre Pulp Fiction edges it. Mainly, as I said, for Walken and 'the Bonnie situation' with the Wolf and QT talking funny ("Do you see a sign on the front of my house that says 'Dead Nigger Storage'?", the coffee speech). That may also be because I think the charcter of Jimy is fantastic.
Ingram
Jul 14 2005, 04:59 PM
There is a lot to weigh up. On one hand you have the films openings, both in diners and both with some very witty dialogue. One ends on a high (Pulp Fiction), the other closes smoothly and leads into one of the most memorable opening credits of all time (Reservoir Dogs). Then some excellent film making ensues with plenty of great lines on both sides. I'd probably pick either the classic Buscemi scene, where he refuses to be Mr Pink, or the Madsen "stuck in the middle with you". From Pulp, there are far too many... but that's only my opinion.
Walken and the watch.
Ezekiel.
Royale with Cheese.
Foot Massage/We Should have shotguns for this shit.
Zeds dead.
etc.
paulaboz
Jul 14 2005, 05:22 PM
I voted for pulp fiction - because it was the first one i saw and it set me off to see the rest of tarantino's films (which are fantastic ), and gave me a real love of cinema and an admiration for the way films are directed.
thirtyhelens
Jul 14 2005, 05:24 PM
*feeling vulnerable, yet cocky about still being the only Jackie Brown vote*
Ingram
Jul 14 2005, 08:36 PM
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Jul 14 2005, 06:24 PM)
*feeling vulnerable, yet cocky about still being the only
Jackie Brown vote*
Great film, but I would really like to hear the argument for it being better than Pulp Fiction, or ever Reservoir Dogs, - something which it really isn't in my mind.
thirtyhelens
Jul 14 2005, 09:18 PM
Because as Chap Bax said so well, it's his most mature, human and affecting film. He takes a wonderfully written character, reshapes her for Pam Grier and refrains from making her a caricature of Pam Grier's film roles that he grew up with. Jackie is a very real, older, struggling woman with real problems and the way she deals with an extraordinary opportunity is conistently surprising and riveting. The same goes on every level for Max Cherry. (Robert Forster is brilliant.) Also, the fact that though it might not hit home the first time out, on subsequent viewings you really realize what he's doing taking his sweet time setting everyone and everything up. While his previous films are paced back and forth between thrills and lulls, this is a slow burn. The scene where Ordell deals with Beaumont might on the surface seem a mite pointless and an excuse to have Chris Tucker doing his...well, his Chris Tucker thing. But it's so very important, because after watching him comically going on and on about how much he knows about guns while Melanie takes the piss out of him, it's setting you up to be terrified of Ordell for the rest of the movie, as Jackie is though she tries not to show it. She's tough, but does she really have what it takes to try and cheat someone SPOILER: who would spend $10,000 to bail out a guy just so he could put a bullet in his head and make sure he doesn't talk? All the players, their motives and their agendas are painstakingly built up so that when the shit hits the fan, if you've been observing them closely, it really hits home. (SPOILER: The scene were Melanie badgers, needles, badgers, needles Louis until he finally shoots her made me fly three inches off my seat. "I'm sorry, Louis..."... BANG! Jesus. .)
And that's another thing: Louis. My GOD. Possibly DeNiro's last great performance, and certainly one of his best.
ETA I'm not saying I don't love Res Dogs and Pulp Fiction for their own merits. I just prefer Jackie Brown. ;-)
Ade
Jul 14 2005, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Jul 14 2005, 06:24 PM)
*feeling vulnerable, yet cocky about still being the only
Jackie Brown vote*
*feeling slightly less vulnerable about no longer being the only
Kill Bill vote...*
So who else put their neck out? Come on, own up!
Sostie
Jul 14 2005, 09:41 PM
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Jul 14 2005, 05:24 PM)
*feeling vulnerable, yet cocky about still being the only
Jackie Brown vote*
Only one vote doesn't make it unliked though. I think its a fantastic film.
But I think True Romance is more a Tarantino film, than Jackie Brown is.
I think JB has the elements that make Tarantino films so recogniseable, but more understated. Its a good film for those that think he's all gimmick...its his "straightest" film.
When I first saw it I just thought "that was a great film", mainly because he took me by surprise by it.
Fave bits - "Across 110th street" and DeNiro - even when not doing much he is brilliant - felt more for that character than the one's with so many more lines and screentime.
thirtyhelens
Jul 14 2005, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (Sostie @ Jul 14 2005, 01:41 PM)
DeNiro - even when not doing much he is brilliant - felt more for that character than the one's with so many more lines and screentime.
Exactly. He's like a child, after being in the joint for four years he's discovering the world all over again. And most of the time, he really has no fucking clue how to deal with it. Poor sod.
"Across 110th Street" is glorious. As is The Delfonics; Max singing along in his car makes me smile like a loon.
I already fessed up that all the
very specific LA/South Bay references make me a smidgen impartial, too, right?

Not to mention having the Cockatoo Inn in Hawthorne preserved on film for all time. (That really
was a swank li'l watering hole. I only got go to there once before they went under.)
Zoe
Jul 14 2005, 10:27 PM
'Reservoir Dogs' by a country mile.
That is all.
romero_zombie
Jul 14 2005, 10:56 PM
Hmmm tough one this.... Guess ill go for Pulp Fiction because of the coolness of it all.
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