I don't think there is anybody who didn't want to punch Bonnie Langford in the face.

But ... she'll thcweam and thcweam until she's thick, and she can.

Sorry - I guess most of you are too young to remember her performance in Just William.

After Martha's stint in who is over she'll probably naturally progress over to Torchwood anyway so hopefully we'll see less and less of her.

I did hear that in the last couple of episodes there is going to be a major character death although they'll have so many to choose from its hard to say who will go. Mickey, Donna, Rose, Martha, Jackie & Pete Tyler, Sarah-Jane Smith...theres a couple there that wouldnt be missed.

Jenny reminded me of that sally sparrow from 'Blink' last year, albeit a bit more trigger-happy.

Well, lots have left, but I can only think of Tegan who really left without the Doctor wanting her to go. Maybe Jo Grant. But most of the others who left went with the Doctor's blessing, as it were.

As much as I like Martha/Freema, she was completely redundant in that story. If they wanted a POV from the fish people they could have had Tate doing that, and I think it could have made a better story to have just the Doctor and Jenny playing off of each other.



Does that really need explaining?



My thought at the end the episode was "Well, that's put pay to any chance of Sally Sparrow ever returning (not that the chance was very high to start with, but . . .).

I wasn't hugely taken with the episode, as by and large I don't think it really bought anything new to the mix, past the invention of a "daughter" for the Doctor.

Did anyone watch Confidential afterwards? Davis and Collinson were positively wetting themselves with how pleased they were to be writing themselves into Who lore with that plot twist.

If they really wanted to do something with the Doctor and his family, he could have always revisited Susan or something, there's no reason she couldn't still be alive - after all, the quote was: I shall come back some day . . .

Double posting, because I think this deserves separation from my ramblings above:

Steven Moffat wins a BAFTA for Blink!

Hurrah!

He doesn't seem to like doing that sometimes.

Cybermen - Not 'classic' Cybermen, RTD's new 'parallel universe' Cybermen

Daleks - kills off 'classic' Daleks to replace with the (cack) Cult of Skaro (an invention which just doesn't make sense)

He's inconsistent though, because some elements of the classic series he leaves alone, like Sontarans, and so on. But it does seem that with some of the more important things, he does like to discard everything and start all over again. Which is fair enough, it's his show and he wants to leave his mark on it - but it would be nice just for once, that he left something like that in place. And for sentimental reasons too, not just as a precursor to a kid's show.

No, of course not. I was being flippant.

Though she was wearing a lot of eyeliner.

Best comment I ever heard about Bonnie Langford is that she made Adric look like Han Solo!

Jenny was hawt! Although I half expected her to say "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!" at the end.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...

I'm actually wiping tears away!!!

Synopsis for episode eight, the Steven Moffat penned "Silence in the Library" (it's not very spoilery, but I've used tags just in case people want to remain in the dark!):

One hundred years ago, the universe's greatest library was sealed off, leaving only one warning: "Count the shadows". But now, the shadows are moving again.

Sounds good to me!

Will Cliff Richard be in it?

The Doctor goes to Z'ha'Dum?

So why did a fish, which had an independent breathing supply, drown underwater?

Probably because it wasn't water. Or something.

Yeah, that crossed my mind as well.

Also, the line "The man who never would" doesn't make a lot of sense either, unless the Doctor is trying to create the planet Apathy!

Or Gallifrey, as it's know.

Remember though, he would never kill anyone. Unless they were a Cyberman. Or a Dalek. Or Ood. Or Sycorrax. Or Racnos. Or a werewolf. Or an alien bat creature pretending to be Anthony Head.

Or is it just that he'd never use a gun to kill anyone, but it's okay if you use something else or do it indirectly?

I'm sure Colin Baker shot a Cyberman with some kind of blaster rifle thingy.

Davison wasted the Cyberleader in Earthshock. And I'm sure Colin Baker used a gun a few times.

The Doctor has a very selective memory.

The parenthood thing where he makes a speach about "been there, done that, saw them die"...what was that referring to? (not even close the actual wording I know)

I'm guessing it's either the Time War, or possibly the reason he left Gallifrey in the first place, because in 45 years of programming, that has never been fully explained.

So what he was basically saying was he did have children? I wonder how Outpost Gallifrey reacted to that one?

Badly, as usual?

Seeing as he had Susan as his granddaughter, it shouldn't really be that surprising.

He also mentioned that he "was a parent once" in Fear Her.

Yeah, I did mention the granddaughter somewhile back and was told there were various views on this.

Seemed this week's little speach clarified the whole is he/isn't he a parent thing. Not that I'm bothered. Every piece of backstory has to appear for the first time at some point. OK, so it took over 40 years, but it isn't contradictory.

One thing I did find odd. For a highly intelligent, scientific man, wasn't it a bit odd that he would immediately call his clone his daughter, as opposed to just a clone. I think the Doctor has become a bit of a drama queen.

From what I saw on Saturday the most common comment about the episode was "When is the spin-off series going to start?", people didn't seem that bothered about the whole "daughter" issue.

As Glenn said, he was travelling with his Granddaughter when Who originally started, so most people should be willing to accept the idea that he has had a family at some point in the past.

I hear ya. McCoy's Doctor would have not only known about her, but instigated the whole matter thousands of years ago to set a trap for Cobb. Jenny would have most likely been killed (probably suicide after being 'talked to death' by the Doctor for being a paradox), and Martha and Donna will have learned two hard-hitting, but very important, lessons about the nature of the Universe.

I miss Seven.

Didn't Peri get sort of left in the past by accident, and end up marrying Brian Blessed?

The Time Lords said that she died after an experiment went wrong, but then said at the end of Trial of a Time Lord that this wasn't actually the case. I think it was more of a case of the Beeb felt it had made a bad move killing a companion, and didn't want to disturb the kiddies too much.

That hadn't stopped them killing off Katerina and Sara Kingdom in the Sixties, though.

I created a memory of Mel dying in 'Time and the Rani', when she was screaming in that big bubble. It was only years later when I checked and realised she hadn't and in fact was in several episodes afterwards and in the end left of 'her own accord'.

Maybe I didn't see intervening episodes at the time, maybe I did and just chose to jumble up the order and create a companion's death in my head - after all I was only six. I suspect it was the latter, and a case of wishful thinking.

Wasn't it awful when Martha drowned in that tar pit on Saturday? Hur hur hur.

Wishful thinking, and the fact that they were pretty awful. Like a Vietnam vet, you might have blotted the worst out, but you may have dreadful flashbacks in the years to come. For instance, I sometimes wake up screaming at the resurfaced memory of 'Delta and the Bannermen'...

McCoy only came into his own as the Doctor after Mel left, and Ace turned up.

Interestingly though, Langford's not that bad in the Big Finish audios...

Weirdly though, I always remembered the first episode with Ace in (my hero) and Mel was in that! So God knows when I thought she died.

I'm upset I've lost my false memory. That screaming is still ringing in my ears.

There is a rumour that she was only hired because 'that' scream matched the pitch of the 'scream' of the first part of the theme tune perfectly.

Far be it from me to question Langford's acting chops, but, yeah. I'd believe that.

Whatever, the Beeb were certainly wrong about companions dying disturbing the kiddies. Some kiddies were killing them off in their minds!

I say 'some' I mean 'me'.

Me and Adam Curtis created some excellent never seen episodes during break time at Junior School.

That takes on a much different meaning when taken out of context.

It went off air when I was eight. I can assure you it was all perfectly innocent.

Though the nature of our two person game did cause a lot of shouts of 'Zoe for Adam' from behind the railings; but we just rose above it.

When we played 'Ghostbusters' we let other people join in.

I thought that was an attempt by the Valyard to frame the Doctor for gross incompetence (i.e. he was telling fibs!).

It was, and the Time Lords bought it because they didn't know at that time that the Valeyard was actually a dark aspect of the Doctor's personality.

Or Adric in the 80s? Although that was a mercy killing!

I like the way you are using spoiler tags on something that's 20 years old!

Melkur is actually the Master!

And the Doctor has 2 hearts!!!

who travels in a time machine - how cool is that!

And is originally from a planet called Gallifrey.

And Tremas?

It's an anagram!

Wow! He truly is a criminal mastermind!

Well, somebody may not have seen it.

Oh, and the Watcher was the Doctor all along.

Susan's 'grandfather' is actually a time-travelling alien!