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I have just started to watch Alien versus Predator and am about 45 minutes in and I have a few gripes....why o why are the predators visiting Antartica.....the impression I got from the 1st predator film was that they only visited places with sweltering heat..."only the hottest years"....which leads me onto another point....would the extreme cold or the fact that the team on the surface are wearing Artic clothing not affect their heat vision??? This aside I am quite enjoying what I have seen so far and have felt genuine tension knowing that the predators are behind them (although that might have some link to a recurring dream of the predator hunting me around my old school) and maybe the above will be explained later on (or am I missing the point of the movie lol). Anyway my biggest problem is that they made a 12A movie, a Predator or an Alien movie for the family...they have sacrificed peoples spinal columns being ripped out for a quick buck, that is like making Star Wars an 18!!! I wish for once that a popular franchise could be left alone instead of squeezing every last bit of change out of it...it almost degrades the original film(s).

What are other peoples opinions on tis movie?

The potential was there for a great film, both the Alien and Predator characters have huge fan bases and it could have all been brought together to make something special. In similar fashion and although not a great film Freddy Vs Jason was put together in a style keeping with the way those films have developed and it was a lot of fun, and being a fan of the Freddy and Jason films, I was not dissapointed by it. But money is where it's at, golden opportunity to make tons of cash with AvP, put out a few dark teaser trailers to get the fans keen, people flock to it who cares if the film is gash they've made their money, it's a sad tale.

Almost upsets me as much as 'remakes' but that is another thread.

as a film on its own, AvP is decent. its only when you compare it to the previous alien and predator films that it falls down.

my main problem with the film is that its horribly rushed. people get a face hugger attached to them, moments later that drops off then the alien bursts out their chest and is fully grown far too quickly. this films only about 90 minutes long, i think they would of been better of going 2+hrs and making one kick ass film instead of rushing things and blatantly setting up for a sequel at the end.

I haven't seen this yet (for obvious reasons) but I may be able to provide an answer to the heat issue. As you say, traditionally the Predators like heat and their natural vision is heat based. But, in one of the comic stories, it's made clear that the Preds actually have a mesh which covers them - possibly part of the camouflage system - which also doubles up as, if you will, an electric blanket which they can turn on in order to keep themselves at a comfortable temperature.

The Preds' vision wouldn't really be affected by cold and arctic gear as long as some skin was still exposed, and as shown in Predator 2 their face mask can be rigged to read different spectrums - they could probably opt to see in the same EM spectrum as we do if necessary. Different story if the mask comes off of course. If you remember in Aliens, the Aliens didn't show up on infra-red which could make life interesting for the Preds.

Also according to the comics, and arguably in Alien, a chestburster will develop as rapidly as it instinctively feels the need to. Now what I'd like to see is something that oneof the comics came up with - a chestburster that's an Alien-Predator hybrid by virtue of a facehugger latching onto a Predator. Let's just say both the humans and the Predators wished it hadn't grown up...

Alien was a brilliant concept for one movie that was stretched way beyond breaking point with bad sequel after bad sequel. Predator was gash from the get-go (although Predator 2 has a high cheese entertainment factor). Plus Anderson has never made a good movie.

Therfore I naturally have very high hopes for AvP.

I think there saving that for the sequel.


I thought the film was alright. Granted, not the best, but I'm sure the film will introduce new younger fans to both the franchises.

*winky winky*

Actually, they were in the game anyway, predaliens i think...

I've seen the film and I'd like to address a few gripes, which i had too. Firstly the 12A rating. Yes, it would have been nice to see a bitmore violence, but on the whole the violence is aliens... versus predators... so they can get away with more for less (spoiler: When the predator flings the alien around by its tail that was amazing!!!!).

Rushed story, yes! Sadly, they were too busy having aliens fighting predators and setting up scary little corridors that they spent too little time on the story. They never really explain why ANYBODY is carrying a gun. That makes absolutley no sense, and the aliens do seem to come out of their hosts VERY quickly. As for it being cold, they seem to explain that away by calling the moon a foreign name, pausing and then translating: "Hunters moon!!!". Very thoughtful.

Still it was better then Alien ressurection I liked it a lot!

The dvd version, when it comes out is supposed to be un-cut. So I'm hoping the film will be a lot better then.

Right, I watched the second half and I found it thoroughly entertaining. Yeah sure I had a few gripes most of which have been mentioned in various replies above, but all in all if I am really honest I did not expectmuch so it was better than first thought.

Spoiler alert:
At first when the Predator and woman(???) started working together I thought...hang on...but I thought it worked quite well.

I don't think that it is set up for a sequel (I hope not anyway) inspite of the end.....how can 1 alien take on so many predators??? That would be stupid.

Just rememer the enemy of my enemy is my friend!

The first Aliens v Predator comic arc is predicated (ahem) on a woman earning the respect of the Predators in a hunt against Aliens, becoming part of their society, but finally rebelling against them. It's a clever set-up, and I don't know if the movie quite follows it, but in the comics the idea is that the Predators seed a world with a few warrior Alien eggs then novice Predators hunt them down with relatively primitive (for them) weapons as an initiation rite into full warrior status. In the comic, two things go wrong - they seed a world that's been colonised by humans since their last visit, and secondly a cheeky Queen alien onboard the Predator mothership has managed to get a Queen egg on board the seeding craft. Combine this with a few hundred head of cattle, and the handful of Predator initiates (plus humans, who are also getting hunted because the Predators spotted them first) rapidly find themselves overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers. It was out as a collected novel a while back, worth having a look at if you've never seen any of the Dark Horse comics. There's also a series that ignores the Alien 3 storyline and follows on from Aliens its own way.

i gave AVP i veryveryvery review coz i thought it was really really bad

was they gonna do next

chewie out of starwars vs american warewolf

Eh?

there have made that many vs movies that there crap now so thats the point i'm trying to get across

This movie had no chance. Predator 1 good, Alien 1 great, anything after that......riggggghhhht (No comment if you will). If you haven't seen the AvP spoof from MADtv go find it! It had something to do with Freddy and Jason and Snuggles the fabric softener bear. AvPvFvJvS or something like that hehe. Classic.....

that would be good the fabric softener has my vote

The thing is though, at least the possibility of this vs movie was flagged in the series itself by virtue of the clue in Predator 2. It's far less random than many of the vs concepts that float around, and actually does make a lot of sense when you consider the psychology of the Predator. The actual concept has been knocking around forever, it's just taken a while to get it done. I mean hey, if you're going to knock vs movies you might as well forget the entire Japanese Godzilla series!

I was looking on the dark horse website and I saw Tarzan Vs Predator, pretty weak!!! but I also saw alien Vs Predator Vs Terminator, interesting - everyone against Skynet - and also Judge Dredd Vs Aliens.

Oh, the Aliens being fairly generic beasties have been up against pretty much everyone - Batman and Superman included. Actually, the Preds also went up against Batman; the first in that series was pretty good actually. Dark Horse make the most of their licences - Robocop v Terminator, you name it, they've probably done it...

Now that AvP is out in the UK, what do those who have now seen it make of it?

I saw it last night, and tend to agree that it was an enjoyable monster mash with gloriously over-the-top action scenes (particularly the actual alien-predator fights, which made good use of CG and suitwork). Its just that flaws that would be ignored if it were its own movie (such as the corny dialogue, plot absurdities and predictable structure) and not the amalgamation of 2 rather good franchises.

I am however still confident that Paul Anderson will one day make a GREAT movie. Just one that didn't rely on franchises...and which he didn't write the script for...

But, has anyone noticed all the AvP posters around the place have a big film quote saying how great it is, with the Xfm logo attributed to it. But then next to it, it says that the quote was made by 'Paul Anderson'! Is this just a coincidence that a movie reviewer on Xfm is called Paul Anderson, or was the director interviewed on Xfm, blowing his own trumpet, and the quote made it onto the poster? Very strange and rather dubious methinks...

I once saw a 10min mini-movie of Batman vs Alien vs Predator knocked up by some small studio. Absolutely bloody fantastic. I'll have to try and get a copy off my mate sometime.

Well I've just seen it and can now fully appreciate the earlier "winky winky" comments! But given the, ah, "winky winky" I was a little surprised by the ending, although presumably Momma's survival has priority over the survival of offspring when push comes to shove.

As for them carrying guns - well, hey, killer penguins people! More seriously, I can understand the bodyguards carrying them because if they'd run into a rival team that was exactly the sort of place where someone might try to do the dirty and could easily get away with it.

I was also pleasantly surprised by how close to the comics-developed mythology it all was; I think I'll want to look up some "making of" type information because I get the impression someone involved must have been a big fan of the comics. The last few minutes are virtually identical to a mix of the conclusions of the original Alien v Predator comic series and the first Batman v Predator comic series.

So I was pretty happy with it, from a very fanboy sort of perspective.

Being a large fan of boath the franchises..

I realy liked this film..one thing you have to remember when you watch this movie is thats its nothing to do with the previous films...this is its own series altogether...

I personaly think that it shouldn't be compaired to the previous films because of this..

It was good fun to watch and as said before the monster mashes where fast and furious..and the poor old humand..well lets not speak of it shall we..LOL

Nice mix of weaponry from the humans though..and i loved the cases for the G36's that just fall apart and leave you battle ready..
I feel sorry for the poor human left alive in the egg chamber with just a pistol..not a pleasnt experiance..

My only gripe about this film is that the queen moves too fast!..she speeds along at close to mach 1...its a bit too silly compaired to Aliens..

ShArK

Hmmm....y'all must have seen a different film than me. It was almost the worst film I've ever seen. I say almost because I've also sat through Catwoman this year and I guess it was better than that.

Matrix style effects on the face huggers? Balls. The Alien spearing everything with it's tail because it's done it once or twice in previous films. Balls. Paul Anderson is a bad, bad, bad director and this film does nothing more than convince me of that fact once more. The caracter profiles were set up with a sledgehammer, reminding me of that sketch on the Mary Whitehouse Experience - "I'm documentin' the trip for ma wee boys" DEAD!!

Maybe you shouldn't compare it with the other Alien and Predator films as it does have it's own comic book strand, but for the majority of the cinema-going public the comparisons are going to be made. Look back at Predator it's actually a classic action film with good pacing, suspense and effects which to an extent still stand up today. Alien & Aliens (because I do rate the sequel highly) both outstanding films, the first being a benchmark action film for feminism. They may have lost their way during the further sequels, but I would still rate them above this turgid pish.

Alien 5 is in the works...lets see how that goes!.(if it does)..no held breaths though..if Reserection is anything to go by!

resurection wasnt that bad a film, the only thing i didnt like was the needless alien hyrbid thingy at the end. it just looked shit compared to the aliens.

I remember being genuinely disturbed by the Newborn from Resurrection. Overall though, I hate Resurrection. It took an excellent trilogy (yes, I rate Alien 3), and made it slick, unrealistic and gimmicky. I have high hopes for Alien 5, but I am also prepared for almost inevitable disappointment.

I'm up for seeing AvP again, though, just to revel in Yautja action!

I want to see Muppets Vs Sesame Street.

a fight to the death between animal and count von count would kick ass!

What on earth did so many people have against Alien Vs Predator... I am a HUGE Aliens fan. My 4th and 5th tattoos are lifted straight out of the Dark Horse comics and I was one of those geeks who even enjoyed Alien3 and Alien Resurrection.

AVP did exactly what it was supposed to. It didn't try to be intellectual. It showed Aliens and Predators beating the crap out of each other with an ending that left is completely wide open for a sequel.

Sure, there was no character development... WHO CARES!!!! It had Predators grabbing Aliens by their tails and swinging them round like Gigeresq cats .

D'ya think sometimes people expect way too much?

Did anyone else see this movie and enjoy it, or am I in the minority?

PS... I also loved The Hulk, so I guess I am all kinds of screwed!

sorry pal it was a suck fest

OK.... I've explained why I enjoyed it... I will say that I felt that it was hastily edited and could have been gorier...

Why do you think it was a suckfest?

It sucked big time. I was just a pap film. No substance, very (what I call) "American" - stupid and shallow (no offence to our friends accross the pond, but the pop culture over there is something to be ashamed of, I know that not all America is crap...)

The laughable external artic sequences made it all the less bearable - jeans and a T-shirt? In the Artic? At night? Picky, I know, but they could have put at least a little effort into making a film that's part of an awesome franchise (let's ignore the predator sequals, eh?).

(or was it antartic? I couldn't care much less than I do tbh)

i dident like it because in previous films Aliens have been awesome, but in this film they seemed to die fairly easily. And why did the predator make friends with that woman at the end he should have blown her fucking head off. Cheesy, boring, forgetable, shame.


Sorry emperor

I haven't even seen it... I saw the 12 certificate on it and thought I might as well not even bother.

Besides, there was no need to make Alien Resurrection, so this AVP is even more unnecessary. Personally I thought the others were all absolutely brilliant (yes, including Alien 3, I'm not sure why it gets such a bashing really), and it should have just ended there, as a trilogy.

I quite enjoyed it, don;t think of it as a film, think of it as an extended fight scene introduction to either alien or predator.. or both. And svein, that bit you mentioned, when I saw that I just sat staring slackjawed and mouth agape, great moment!

Svein, how do you do that fancy text?

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As for the predator making friends with the woman, why wouldn't it? It showed predators blowing themselves up like in predator, to stop an outbreak of aliens on another planet, and they really have nothing specific against us. Why wouldn't a predator team up with a human to stop an alien queen escaping? They didn't kill Danny Glover at the end of predator 2, he - like the woman - got the deserved respect.

To answer both questions... firstly... type <spoiler> text </spoiler> (changing the <> to [] respectively...)



Secondly, to those who question the pairing up... you seem to have missed the whole point of the Predator. They are hunters with honour. That is made abundantly clear in the first movie when the predator only attacks those with weapons AND gives Arnie the chance to fight hand to hand. Secondly, look at the end of Predator 2, which despite everyone's bitching, invented a whole shitload of Predator lore and gave us the whole concept of AVP in the first place.

Whilst I agree that it could have been soooooooooo much better, it could have also been sooooooooooo much worse. I am not a Paul Anderson fan... I hated Resident Evil with a passion. Almost as much as LXG. AVP was not going to change lives, cure cancer or feed the world. It was going to do what it said on the tin and it delivered.

AND Fox seems happy enough with the sales to finance a sequel. Perhaps the director will take in the critisism and develop more for the second one!