Right.

I was left feeling a bit 'eh?' after that episode.

'eh?' as is confused? Because that's what Adam said, and I didn't feel it. I felt a bit more 'meh' than 'eh?'. Just felt a lot slower after the run we've had in the last few.

Yeah confused but also a little meh.

It felt like nothing had happened even though it had & what had happened seemed very important to the characters, but not to the story or me.

I tried last night to describe what I felt, and that sums up some of what I think. In fact, I feel like that about the series in general. It's like I'm missing something -- all the characters are so unpredictable and changeable that I can't identify with any of them. So many characters are selfish, erratic, spiteful and angry, that it's very hard to feel any empathy. The complete lack of humour makes this even harder. Characters I don't understand at all are Caprica/Six, Baltar and Starbuck. The latter was interesting to begin with; cocky, arrogant but likeable, but has never been the same since she was shacked up with the Daniel Craig Cylon whose name I can't remember. Baltar's motivations are a complete mystery to me. He's a coward, an arrogant big-head, a sex-pest, a wannabe Christ... but what the hell is he thinking? Caprica's many forms are so different I don't understand any of them. And everything is invested with this worthy self-importance - like last nights episode - so it feels like everything goes over my head.

Leoben.

I like him.

Baltar is Yorkshire lad, living on a spaceship with a harem of hot sexy woman, who carry enormous guns.

It's as close to someone actually filming inside my head as you're ever likely to see.

Hmm, I thought that last episode was a bit hit and miss if I'm honest. Maybe the whole mutiny two parter spoiled me a little.

It seemed to be yet more setup for the last three episodes, although I liked the whole Boomer-Chief subplot.

Me toooooo. Irritated that he's gone missing since the return episode, in which after spouting weirdness at her for three and a half seasons, finding Kara's body with her on Earth was weird enough that even Leoben said "Damn, girl, that's fucked up" and bolted.




Yes, and yes. And further emphasizes my prediction that Chief will die... conveniently getting rid of the responsibility of the kidlet was one thing, but now that he's really mucked things up, he will have to perform some serious self-sacrifice. As to who else will make it, I've no idea, but I don't like Tyrol's odds one bit.

Yeah. I'd be sad if they do kill him, but I also hope that it'll be in some kind of redemptive way. I've always had a soft spot for Tyrol and believe that, at heart, he is a good man.

Did I really hear Starbuck talk about 'wanking' last night?

I enjoyed the latest episode. Bit of story, not too much whining, emotional scenes about two of the better characters.

I take it we all believe the pianist is 'Daniel' and also Starbuck's father?

But is Hotdog the only one who mans the vipers these days?!

I felt liking hugging the Chief at the end.

Talk about kicking a skinjob when he's down.

Poor Chief. He's a teddy. A sad teddy. I hope he doesn't die/get killed off.



When did Starbuck talk about wanking?

Right at the start, when she was talking to the pilots, what did she say, when she was warning them about freetime?

Yeah. I adore Chief.


Yes, she did.


Oooh. I hadn't thought of that. But yes - good point!

I hate when, in retrospect after hearing/reading something, there's a gap in the writing that irritates me.

The GWC Podcast spent a lot of time discussing how they expect Helo to be in for some shit for not realizing he was fucking Boomer and not his wife. To be honest, I can accept that gaffe on his part, particularly as Helo is generally a very trusting soul, plus he doesn't have the Cylon radar for telling one from another, does he? Not like Chief, whose radar bleeped back to life and he recognized his Sharon. However... as much as I'm willing to forgo occasional lapses in continuity if the writing otherwise holds up, they dropped a big ball with Hera in the same situation. Remember when Athena had Helo shoot her so she could be resurrected on the basestar and get the kid to bring her home? When Caprica brought her to the baby, she was crying her little head off and Boomer couldn't calm her, but the minute Athena picked her up she stopped crying. They made a big deal in that moment about how despite the Eights being biologically identical, Hera knows who is her mother and who isn't. So there's a bit of a continuity fail in the fact that Boomer was able to pop into day care and whisk Hera away without the kid having a tantrum or at least calling attention to the fact that something was wrong. Granted, she's a child, she probably couldn't have stopped it from happening but she could have put up a struggle to indicate distress and maybe slowed Boomer down a bit, forcing her to pop a cap in a mofo to get away or something. Heh. Again, if it weren't for the fact that they've set her abduction up as such a significant plot point now, I wouldn't mind it so much...

Good point Nic, that didn't occur to me. Still, it all happened fairly quickly...

I thought that too, Nic. Unless there's a reason behind it then it's a bit of a slip-up.

Last night's episode was spectacularly meh. With only two episodes left (is that right?) I was hoping for so much more. They have a hell of a lot to cram into the next two episodes. I was interested to see that the Admiral directed last nights episode which I thought felt quite a bit different to most in its visual style but maybe I'm just making that up as I noticed he directed it at the start of the episode. I must say though that I'm more than a little worried about how this is going to satisfactorily end.

Hopefully they're just setting things up for two action packed episodes in the finale.

I quite enjoyed last night's again - it successfully made me want more at the end, at least! It had the feel of the calm before the storm, and a storm it is sure to be because there is so much to be resolved:

I think for definite that BSG will be destroyed in a final battle with the bad Cylons, in which both Adama and Cavill will die, we will find out Kara's destiny, Lee will take the reigns as President as Roslin dies too, and some kind of leap will be made regarding survival of both races which will be spiritual and/or scientific in origin.

Sounds about right. But I'm not sure about your Adama theory. That would certainly give Tigh someplace to fit into it though as he takes up the mantle.

Oh Gaius, why didn't you cross the line?

Well you do see him with a gun standing in what looks like Galactica in the trailer for next week, so maybe he does.

I'm so excited - I have my Friday night all planned out. Dinner, a bottle of wine and the two hour finale.

When they do the 'Caprica' spin off, I hope they include Baltar's feisty second in command. She's very nice.

I'm very much wondering if they'll leave Sam plugged in, and if so will they plug him into the CIC?

Also, still holding out hope that they'll go with the Scott Bakula cameo/Quantum Leap version for the finale.

*squee*

Something like a 'They Never Found a Home' ending? I'm not sure I'd be happy with that but based on Moore's recent comments it wouldn't surprise me.

What about they all wipe each other out thus ending the chain and turning the whole show into a metaffer for our own use of technology destroying us. Like global warming and shit, yeah?

They will discover a gold mine which will work for a bit until they clog it up with sick.

Is alarm justified? Is time running out? Or is this the start of a new day? The first day of spring?

I struggle saying it any other way now.

Everyone's gonna die, only to be reborn and guided to Kobol (or wherever) by Starbuck. Or something like that.

Gaius will at least give his life to protect his followers, to atone for his many transgressions.

Those are my predictions, anyway.

So is everyone still thunderstruck? Or massively elated and/or pissed off?

I'm kind of in the middle... I thought the last five minutes were extremely preachy in a way the show had never been before, and thus it felt incredibly jarring. Yet at the same time I had a feeling that was the underlying message they were going for all along, so textually it felt earned. And I loved that even though they didnt' quite connect all the dots, Moore and Eick were clearly going for some big theological ideas that, frankly, most shows wouldn't even bother to attempt, so big ups to them on that score.

Also, at first I hated the fact that we didn't get a clear answer about Kara. However the more I think about it, the more I think I love that. And Baltar's arc turned out to be absolutely sublime.

i liked it, quite a lot, and was happy with the end...

well, for a start, gaius being god was to be expected...

as for kara, she's just an agent of ye olde gods / fate... kinda like an angel. see, gaius is always right...

as for the ending, i think they were making the point that lee is a stupid fucking hippy. if they'd just kept the technology, slowly developed a civilisation on the planet and not returned to nature then, maybe, the human race wouldn't be doomed to repeat the manufacture of its own destruction. so, in essence, the message of 'bsg' is that hippies suck ass, and that i agree with...

the people i watched it with cheered when the president died - didn't realise that she was a hate figure in some camps.

the big battle was rather ace...

oh, the people i watched the final two episodes with also moaned that they just felt like the finale was too much of an advert for 'caprica'... not sure i entirely agreed with them, but could see their point...

also, watched an interview with tricia helfer on the tonight / late show (or similar). she's a bit of a dick in real life, but not as much of a dick as the guy who presents it...

so, bring on 'the plan'...

Ahhh. Ahhh.

Why did I come in here? Don't look don't look don't look don't look.

A friend of mine on another forums said that she was the BSG version of Gandalf the White.

I'm still undecided. Some of it was quite good, but there were too many weighty decisions that just seemed glossed over. They spent too much time on trivial things and not enough on properly setting up the resolution. It was all too convenient.

Should've been a three-hour finale.

Maybe I should give it another chance. Or is Gaius not really God but some Cylon made up god?

I stopped watching when series 3 got boring. The episode about Helo (that's a person, right?) and Harold Shipman was the episode that finished it off for me. No way should that have been a main story for an entire episode.

I was really blown away, and I cried like a girly at the end, but I want to watch it again to actually pay attention to what happened. In general, I really loved it and thought that the Gaius/Caprica Six both seeing each other in spirit form was awesome. I thought that they represented god and the devil at the end of the show was really cool and I loved everyone's story end...except Kara. Vince really hated her wrap-up, and I was initially annoyed by it, but I see why they did it and maybe if I watch it again I'll understand it better.

i suppose one could argue as to whether, indeed, gaius and caprica six are agents of god, and whether gaius is god or not. it all depends on your interpretation of a moment when caprica refers to god and your reading of gaius' response - "oh, but he doesn't like being called that". of course, i am referring to the gaius and caprica who only they can see...

it may well be a conclusion that no-one else happily jumped to...

still, to me, gaius is god...

plough yourself back into season three, gloss over the weaker episodes; it does pick up towards the end; season four is rather spectacular, for the most, but it does kinda wind itself down...

I'm not sure what to make of it yet. I was thoroughly engrossed, and didn't want it to end.

The ending rather reminded me of the Hitchhiker's Guide - I kept expecting It's a Wonderful World to start playing at any moment.

So it finally finished in the UK and for the most part it was really rather good. However I really think it could have done without the last 5 minutes. I loved the whole "the new humans were the way we spread out of Africa" thing that they went with and followed that quite happily without needing a 150,00 year flash forward but maybe it was needed. The whole preachy ending may as well have been played straight into the camera for all its bluntness and I agree with Nic that it was extremely jarring.

If it had finished with Bill sat on the hilltop then I would have been much happier with it but as it stands it seems like a 4 season long lesson. I really really did enjoy every minute of the two episodes up to that point though and loved how everything tied together and I really didn't pick up any kind of "Caprica" advert vibe in there.

Agreed, Jimmay, I loved the last shot of Bill on the hillside, although I understand that it doesn't really encompass the larger themes of the show that they've been working on all along. And combining Hera into something that is actual scientific fact is very cool. Something inbetween that reflective, grand moment and the nose-thumping of the final scene would have been great.

Couple of things I noticed flipping through old clips (I'm currently loaning my season boxes to L.A. Julie so she can catch up. She devoured season one in two days. )

Awesome:
In S2 when Baltar discovers that Caprica Sharon (later Athena) is pregnant, it's just after he's had Cottle scan his head because he wants to know once and for all whether or not Head Six is real or a program. When Six appears to him, and they talk about the baby, he asks her what is she, really... and she says "An angel sent to guide you,"... and when he asks to what, she says "To the destruction of the human race." Well, technically that panned out... if Hera is Mitochondrial Eve, then pure humans were eventually expunged once her Cylon DNA had propagated. Hee.

Kinda not-so-awesome:
In "Home Part II" when they're in the Tomb of Athena and they all have the vision that they're standing, as Kara figures out, on Earth, looking up at the constellations which gives them the map... so are we now meant to assume that they were standing on Our Earth, and not Cylon Earth? The former wouldn't seem to make any sense because it's now established that the 13th tribe of Kobol started Cylon Earth... however, if they're seeing the zodiac constellations as we know them (Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc.), wouldn't that mean it has to be Our Earth? Wouldn't it be impossible for another planet to have the exact same star pattern in their night sky? Ron, Dave... 'splain, gentlemen.

i think it was to do with the focus on planet, as opposed to ship, based drama, talk about how gaius's father is supposed to be a figure who will appear in 'caprica' and ending with that robot/android montage - when 'caprica' is going to be about the morality and debates that surround the creation of artificial intelligence for such beings...

I guess. I didn't see that though.

On the drive into work this morning I started to think more about the end of Battlestar and it started to annoy me a bit. Mainly, this: The final 5 travel for 150,000 years across the universe to stop humans from creating artificial life as they know it is in their nature to do. They get there too late and the 4 seasons unfold around that. They KNEW this was inevitable and travelled across the universe to stop it. Yet, when Lee Adama decides to start from scratch and leave technology behind essentially leaving humankind with nothing but their own inbuilt nature and see what happens, Helen agrees that this is a good idea and even sticks around to watch? Why? If two lots of humans from the same stock ended up developing AI when they started out light years apart then surely it would be inevitable that it would happen again here unless something was deliberately put in place to stop it?

It's now left me with a bit of a rubbish feeling towards the ending which I didn't initially have.

all of this has happened before and it will happen again...

I know. But it's annoying.

Also, I hadn't picked up on Hera being mitochondrial Eve, which was a bit silly of me seeing as that was the whole point of it all.

And, why doesn't the whole world speak English?

I've still got 5 or 6 episodes to watch - I'd kinda phased out and lost interest during Episode 16, but they're all waiting in the wings for a marathon viewing over the weekend.