Full Version: Battlestar Galactica/Caprica
Most of the conceptual, especially the metaphysical, aspects of the programme were so terribly followed through. Mystifying devices piled so high the makers had in the end to resort to "God did it". For instance, the shared dream of Roslin and Boomer was built up to be something of great significance but was in fact merely how some people went down a corridor - rather underwhelming. The show was generally a bit daft. The programme makers should have concentrated more on substantive ideas rather that superficial gloss. Robots may be dangerous? This is hardly exciting news. Regardless of these points I enjoyed the show and I'm sorry to see it end. Also Zarek was wasted as a character. He had legitimate problems with the Adama/Roslin junta which were avoided by his unbelievable sporadic lurches into being an amoral, power-hungry demagogue. Zarek was illustrative of the programme's inability to handle complex ideas and themes.
In retrospect I was probably unduly harsh on the shared dream as it was prophetic of the crucial scene in which the fate of the characters is played out in the theatre of the CIC. Suggesting the predetermined, repetitive and watched nature of the events. But it still strikes me as odd. The characters must have free agency, no? I suppose not as though they can't change their destiny this doesn't effect their experience of it. What or who determines someone's destiny? I take it back, the programme does contain complex ideas. Regardless destiny is despairingly overused in modern SF and Fantasy U.S. television. As an idea I think it must be ultimately inconsequential.
I certainly agree with your opinion on the GOD DID IT! plot. It left me a very unhappy fan. My main disappointment of the finale was the Kara Thrace story line. I'm dead but alive and there isn't really an answer for it?. I honestly belived that as the writers knew it was coming to an end, and not just cancelled without notice as are many a US series, that it would be wrapped up better than it was.
My friend and I were going to rewatch the series once it finished but after seeing the ending we decided against it.
Ax
My friend and I were going to rewatch the series once it finished but after seeing the ending we decided against it.
Ax
Galactica film in the pipe line - Clicky
QUOTE (Baz @ Aug 14 2009, 10:01 AM) 
Galactica film in the pipe line - Clicky
Not a fan of this AT ALL!!!!!!!
Has anyone seen The Plan? I watched it last night and I'm just not really sure what the point of it was.
It fleshed out a few character's backstories but left more plotholes behind than it filled in. It also highlighted some of the much weaker characters in the story and parts of the series that just didn't make sense. Still, it was nice to see some of the old crowd again and it reminded me of some of the amazing twists and turns that the series went on during it's 4 seasons but certainly wasn't essential viewing as far as I'm concerned.
It fleshed out a few character's backstories but left more plotholes behind than it filled in. It also highlighted some of the much weaker characters in the story and parts of the series that just didn't make sense. Still, it was nice to see some of the old crowd again and it reminded me of some of the amazing twists and turns that the series went on during it's 4 seasons but certainly wasn't essential viewing as far as I'm concerned.
I actually gave up on BSG three episodes from the end of the final series. I had quite a lot of diffculty engaging with the spirituality element of the show and increasingly found the characters hard to engage with and the prgress of events obtruse....It just felt like a whole vortex of nothingness at times, with me unsure what I was meant to be thinking or feeling as I watched.How was I meant to be watching the show? Am I alone in finding it difficult?
Nope. I gave up well before the end.
QUOTE (Jimmay @ May 5 2010, 10:30 AM)
Has anyone seen The Plan? I watched it last night and I'm just not really sure what the point of it was.
I watched it last week and had the same reaction. It didn't seem to add anything at all.
i enjoyed 'the plan' - it wasn't essential viewing but, like you say, it was nice to meet up with some old friends again...
i can't really think about which plot holes it opened up or attempted to fill in. i guess it's main point was stressing how the same person can arrive at very different conclusions, based on experience... or summink like that...
i can't really think about which plot holes it opened up or attempted to fill in. i guess it's main point was stressing how the same person can arrive at very different conclusions, based on experience... or summink like that...
QUOTE (dandan @ May 5 2010, 01:46 PM)
i enjoyed 'the plan' - it wasn't essential viewing but, like you say, it was nice to meet up with some old friends again...
i can't really think about which plot holes it opened up or attempted to fill in. i guess it's main point was stressing how the same person can arrive at very different conclusions, based on experience... or summink like that...
i can't really think about which plot holes it opened up or attempted to fill in. i guess it's main point was stressing how the same person can arrive at very different conclusions, based on experience... or summink like that...
It showed Adama reading that note about the 12 models but did we ever find out where that came from? Also, it didn't really explain how some of the final 5 seemed to know they were cylons but then forget when others didn't and that Brother Cavill knew who they all were but never mentioned it to anyone.
Also, it was quite amusing that the crappy final 5 cylon that was the president's aide but was rubbish and came out of nowhere and who's name I can't remember got hardly any screentime. It was almost like the creators acknowledging that she wasn't worth the time
I finally got to watch The Plan last night, and quite enjoyed it.
It's been a year or two since I last watched any Galactica and thought it was an interesting stroll through the events of the first season or two.
As others have said, it doesn't really add anything earth-shattering, but it does fill in a bit of detail.
I didn't get the impression any of the final five twigged who they were, but I did like the way they worked in Cavil's manipulation of Boomer (explaining why she couldn't remember what had happened to her, etc).
Wasn't it explained in the main series that Cavil knew who the final five were from the start, and that he was responsible for their not knowing who they were? (in fact, didn't several of them know who the final five were but weren’t allowed to talk about it?).
Dean Stockwell was the stand out in it all though, a very good performance.
Tori. Yes, I thought it odd that the program focused quite a bit of time on the other four (though mainly Anders) and she didn't get a look in (but then, neither did D'Anna either).
I was also surprised by the amount of casual nudity, given that there hadn't been any in the main series.
It's been a year or two since I last watched any Galactica and thought it was an interesting stroll through the events of the first season or two.
As others have said, it doesn't really add anything earth-shattering, but it does fill in a bit of detail.
QUOTE (Jimmay @ May 5 2010, 01:21 PM)
Also, it didn't really explain how some of the final 5 seemed to know they were cylons but then forget when others didn't and that Brother Cavill knew who they all were but never mentioned it to anyone.
I didn't get the impression any of the final five twigged who they were, but I did like the way they worked in Cavil's manipulation of Boomer (explaining why she couldn't remember what had happened to her, etc).
Wasn't it explained in the main series that Cavil knew who the final five were from the start, and that he was responsible for their not knowing who they were? (in fact, didn't several of them know who the final five were but weren’t allowed to talk about it?).
Dean Stockwell was the stand out in it all though, a very good performance.
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Also, it was quite amusing that the crappy final 5 cylon that was the president's aide but was rubbish and came out of nowhere and who's name I can't remember got hardly any screentime. It was almost like the creators acknowledging that she wasn't worth the time
Tori. Yes, I thought it odd that the program focused quite a bit of time on the other four (though mainly Anders) and she didn't get a look in (but then, neither did D'Anna either).
I was also surprised by the amount of casual nudity, given that there hadn't been any in the main series.
QUOTE (Raven @ Feb 14 2011, 02:12 PM)
I was also surprised by the amount of casual nudity, given that there hadn't been any in the main series.
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the plan - it was too late, i'd seen everything...
as two cylons, the 'number one' or 'cavil' variety (dean stockwell and dean stockwell), find themselves in a viper launch tube, about to be cast out into space, they begin to debate the rights and wrongs of the cylon attempt to wipe out the human race. through flash back, interspersing old and new footage, the execution of the cylon plan to wipe out the human race is explored, along with how two of the same model arrive at such differing viewpoints, as a result of their experiences with the survivors...
well, the first thing to say is that this was directed by edward james olmos - that's adama, to you and me. now, it seems that when he made this, he turned into patrick stewart: or, at least the patrick stewart from 'extras', hence the quote. from the director's chair he gets tricia helfer - that's six to you and me - to spend most of the film swanning around in her underwear. that's no bad thing, in all honesty, she is a finely engineered young lady, after all. there's also a dramatic zoom in on a cock, which was a little less appealing...
any hoo... back on topic. now, whilst there's no great surprises in here, there's easily enough meat to keep fans of the series interested and, as there's never going to be any more, it's nice just to have something...
not sure what else to say. it you're already a fan, then watch it... it's good...
as two cylons, the 'number one' or 'cavil' variety (dean stockwell and dean stockwell), find themselves in a viper launch tube, about to be cast out into space, they begin to debate the rights and wrongs of the cylon attempt to wipe out the human race. through flash back, interspersing old and new footage, the execution of the cylon plan to wipe out the human race is explored, along with how two of the same model arrive at such differing viewpoints, as a result of their experiences with the survivors...
well, the first thing to say is that this was directed by edward james olmos - that's adama, to you and me. now, it seems that when he made this, he turned into patrick stewart: or, at least the patrick stewart from 'extras', hence the quote. from the director's chair he gets tricia helfer - that's six to you and me - to spend most of the film swanning around in her underwear. that's no bad thing, in all honesty, she is a finely engineered young lady, after all. there's also a dramatic zoom in on a cock, which was a little less appealing...
any hoo... back on topic. now, whilst there's no great surprises in here, there's easily enough meat to keep fans of the series interested and, as there's never going to be any more, it's nice just to have something...
not sure what else to say. it you're already a fan, then watch it... it's good...
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there's also a dramatic zoom in on a cock, which was a little less appealing...
Yes, that was the one that made me say "wtf?!" at the TV.
Whether it [all the nudity] was added in an attempt to "make the story more adult" I'm not sure.
Dirk Benedict must have a painting in the attic or something.
QUOTE (logger @ May 10 2011, 12:16 PM)
Can you imagine a Starbuck threesome?
*mind esplodes*
She's so pretty.
I'm coming to this thread slightly late. Sky Atlantic have been showing the "new" version of BSG from ep.1, having missed it the 1st time, I've been hooked by it this time. It's brilliant stuff; it's currently somewhere 1/2 way through 2nd season.
I can see where SGU took its inspiration with all the dark and moody shots with broken down, claustrophobic ships.
I can see where SGU took its inspiration with all the dark and moody shots with broken down, claustrophobic ships.
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