It's been mentioned in the 'Lost' thread already too, I believe. But I might've imaginafied it.

Incidentally: cool.

I've been avoiding that - I missed the second half of series two!

Twould be the one reason to make me watch Lost.

Aww, it's not so bad, Rache! - it's great fun actually. Just vindictive, frustrating, and will make you its miserable bitch, but....once you get past that...

But Nathan maybe will be on the beach and have a swim and and he and Sawyer will fight and and ... that is not frustrating and bittering?

Although getting past the pish-poor ackting of Evangeline of the Lilly was something I couldn't overcome. I am weak.

Sefi x

Oi!

Don't diss the Kate.

Do diss Kate. She is one of most poorly conceived characters I've ever seen in a big budget TV show.

I don't think Lilly does too bad a job, considering.

Oi!

I can say what i like. She is paper thin as a character and therefore not harmed. Boys like her mostly cos she is very pretty indeed, which is fair enough but call spade a farking shovel please.

And it may be some consolation to know that Evangeline in RL is apparently prettier and very sweet and quite the wit and impressionist. So - cute and funny.



In comparison to Lana from Smallville, she is something from another galaxy. And so is Evangeline in comparison to Kristin Kreuk.

Sefi x

But Lana is so dull and moody. If it wasn't for la Kreuk, I wouldn't understand what Clark ever saw in her...

Guilty as charged, but if it's wrong, I don't want to be right. She's my freckly fantasy female.

Spot on about Kristin Kreuk though. Horrible character development which has been allowed to ruin the programme. Adding the awful Erica Durrance 'actress' didn't help either.
(see, sometimes it's not about the pretty)

I think Clark is a barrel of big gay dullness too. They make quite a pair. On the show i mean - not the characters elsewhere. The lady who played Lana in the Reeve version (e.g. Clark's mum) was much more interesting.



Hey - i can see why. She is a fine looking lass but she really isn't give much to 'work with' from what i've seen. Maybe that is it.



I don't see why they cast her. Yes - she is a dollface but one can find equally attractive lasses with a modicum of personality. It has never proved to be an issue for Joss Whedon, for example.

Sefi x

That's why he's a hero.

I've managed to get one of my ex-workmates (Nigel) hooked

Finally got round to buying! watched a few episodes on tv but missed a few and let it go. Watched Serenty and now will submerge myself in the Firefly universe

The boxset was going quite cheaply too as was Serenity last I saw - I mustve watched it over and over like I did with the Spaced boxset

It's excellent, just got through the first disk so far. I like the dirty feel, and the frontier western look. Spaced is all right as well!

Somehow this became my favorite Whedon project a couple years ago when I first saw it (I was a die-hard Buffy fan and liked Angel, especially seasons 4 and 5). Just amazingly done, as is the film. I want Whedon to do another film, enough of this messing around with invisible teens and women in tights...

I used to like buffy then got bored with it then got back into it for the last season when it all started to kick off so to speak....I liked Angel, it finished quite well on a high so to speak but I did like Firefly straight off the bat, it was fresh and new and a nice twist on the science fiction front mixing old with new and it had the great Nathan Fillion from Buffy as the star!

Technically Buffy had Nathan Fillion from Firefly as a villain. Firefly started before Buffy finished and was cancelled before it finished as well so Joss cast him in Buffy to keep working with him. He also cast a few of them in Angel as well.

See Jonathan M. Woodward - Tracey in The Message - cast as Knox in several season 5 episodes of Angel and as Holden in Buffy's Conversations With Dead People.

And Adam Baldwin crops up throughout season 5 of Angel as well.

And Summer Glau had the distinction of going the other way. She appeared in Angel then got cast in Firefly.

It's all so sordidly incestuous in Whedon's world.

And oh how I wish I was a part of it.

Not me. Though I wouldn't mind getting to meet Marti Noxon--sarcastic, smart, and cute as hell. Plus she could probably give me a job writing for some show somewhere...

Nathan was in a film on the Sci Fi Channel last night, Dracula or something, he played a priest, seemed uncharacteristic seeing him in the dog collar

What, like he wore in Buffy?

Anyhoo, 'Our Mrs Reynolds' is on Sci-Fi right now.

It nearly makes me cry how good this show was. I'll never forgive Fox. Never.

It's like a failed romance that stays with you for years, tormenting you with dreams of what might have been, even when you know that nothing will ever come of it.

Point taken, Im a tit and forgot that enormous blatant point....but at least the character was better, I liked Caleb better than the arse he played in the film.

I watched him Slither last night, great film!

I watched ''The Message'' with my housemates last night and as the credits rolled I just had to say ''fucking Fox''. Never fails to irritate me that the show never got a chance.

Totally. Heartbroken, me.

I've written up four - FOUR! - great, failed Fox series now, and I never pass up the chance to get in a dig. And mention Firefly specifically.

And yet The Simpsons keeps getting renewed. Is there no justice in the world?

The Simpsons was brilliant, once. It's much harder to justify the ones still on the air that have always been shit...

The Simpsons was brilliant ten years ago. That's longer than most television programs are on the air, period.

EDIT: That is, at least ten years ago, as it was really more like 14 years ago that it was at its best.

Amen to that, sister.

I appreciate the sentiment but I am, alas, no sister.

Don't be so conventional, man. Aren't we all sisters, on some level. Maybe.

I suppose you've got a point. Waaaaaaaaaaay back in the embryonic days we were all sisters, right?

Firefly, Futurama, and Arrested Development. What's the fourth?

If you want to go back to the late 80s/early 90s, I'd say Booker and Brisco County, but both just display my age and dorkiness...

Actually, the four were Brisco (What dorkiness?! It's a GREAT show!), Firefly, Arrested and The Ben Stiller Show. I haven't had a chance to get to Futurama yet, but I will...

I don't know, Ben Stiller was always better in my head/memory than when I actually rewatch it. It wasn't bad, by any means, but it wasn't that good either.

Anyone remember Herman's Head or that Apocalypse comedy?

Cant say Ive heard of either to be honest!

LOVED it. Silly premise, but I thought it was rather smart. Plus featured Yeardley Smith and the v. fanciable William Ragsdale. Mankind demands the DVD!

Herman's Head had the woman who voices Lisa Simpson in it. It was a bit average to my recollection.

See, we need the DVD so you can see it again.

But not until Fox coughs up the original Tracey Ullman Show first. I don't know what the hell's taking so long.

Probably getting copyright on all the songs they covered. Without those it's just wall to wall psychiatrist jokes.

That's the same thing that stops Beavis and Butthead getting released. The segments that resembled plots were alright but their discussions about songs were great.

I actually received the giant R1 "Mike Judge Collection" B&B box recently (thank you, Paramount ), and they got around this in an interesting way. Each of the three volumes has three discs - the first two include just plot segments, not necessarily in the order they were aired. (Everything in the box is just the stuff Judge approved, as he feels that about a third of what made it to air wasn't up to snuff.) Then on the third disc, along with the other extras, there are about a dozen music video segments that they were able to clear the rights for. (Among them, the Spike Jonze-directed Wax video for "California" with the guy running down the street on fire, which of course causes Beavis to go into a trance and black out. Best. video. ever.)

But yes, you're probably right about the Ullman show. Music clearances is a nuiscance of an issue, isn't it?...

Does anyone find the background nose too loud/speech too quiet in Firefly?

Firefly to become an MMORPG!

Damn. Now I'm going to have to be an online gaming geek.