I am almost salivating at the prospect, and I've never played a MMORPG in my life.

I'm gonna fly me a Firefly class transport ship!

Me too, I'm going to have to get me a more powerful computer....




No, better to pick some bizarre half remembered vehicle and fly that, like a truly obsessive fanboy. I'm flying the big rocketty looking thing that Malcom doesn't buy. It's the red R2 unit of the Firefly universe.

Don't you mean the red R5 unit of the Firefly universe? [/geek].

Lordy that's twice in two days . . .

I picked up a copy of the official companion (part one) this evening for a tenner, and I'm suitably impressed at the level of detail in it!

Thank Ellie and her fine company.

The second half will be available in shope from 27 April, but we're hoping to launch it early at the Birmingham Memorabilia Show, 31st March/1st April.

Coooool - i look at Pt I with envy and make wishes to Santa everytime i see it.

i couldn't have my own version of FF. It would get very rude.

Sefi x

You see that's what I thought but then I doubted myself and put R2. That will teach me not to check on the internet, that's the sort of thing that the internet is designed to be used to check.

You wanna know the scary bit, the really scary bit . . . I could have told you without reference to Google that the droid was called R5-D4 . . . (as I suspect a lot of others know as well [/graspingatstraws] ).

It's ok Raven don't be ashamed, even I knew the D4 bit. We're not sad lonely individuals hunched over our computers reassuring oneanother that we're not sad lonely individuals...

We're not sad, we just have bad motivator units.

'Fix You' Firefly/Serenity fan video

Clips edited to Coldplay's Fix You song.

I really like this.

Can some Firelfy fans help me out here.

i have seen the movie which I loved, and was led to understand it was set after the series but thats not strictly true is it?
I caught parts of 2 episodes yesterday and the doctor and his sister were ont he ship.

Am I to understand that the episodes witht hem in it take place after the Doctor rescues her and takes her onto mals ship? And then the rest of the film picks up after the series finale?

If thats right can anyone tell me how many episodes the Doc and his sister are in. I'm going to get the series at some point, I'm just intrigued by this right now.

The start of the movie is a video clip that the Operative is watching of Simon's rescue of River before the TV series even started. It doesn't take place in real-time - if you notice, the rest of the movie shows them as permanent residents of Serenity and they have been there for quite a while. The TV show starts with Book, Simon and River's first trip on Serenity and how they all end up on the ship permanently. River and Simon are permanent characters on the series.

As I remember, Simon and River were in every episode, including the original pilot. The movie takes place after the series, althought the opening scene takes place before.

Which episodes were you watching?


EDIT: Drat! You're too damn fast for me, WS.

Not only that, I wasn't entirely correct, either. It's not my day...

Indeed - Dr Tam says in the opening credits something about how he has been on board for 9 months or so. The TV series took place within this time frame. As Wids says, the recorded lab incident took place *before* as a prequel.

I was shown this excellent fanvid recently - to "Wires" by Athlete and it is strangely appropriate to the Tams - think this is one.
http://obsessive24.net/videos.html
(scroll down to 'Wires')

Sefi x

Am I right in thinking that the film breaks continuity with the series slightly? In the series doesn't Simon say he paid people to smuggle River out of the facility instead of extracting her himself?

No - he says he paid people to help him free River. Something about spending his fortune to get the connections to bust her out was said in Ariel or Safe.

Sefi x

Bah you are right, thats my bad, it's been a little while since I've seen the film. I remember now that it's a video clip at the start.

Firefly is on my Christmas list.

Good! It's even better than the film, if you can imagine such a thing.





He says that 'they would get her to Ariel and from there...I could take her wherever'. It's a bit vague and could be either. I always thought that meant that the group he paid got her out and he picked her up already in stasis at Ariel. Plus, in the movie he's all ass-kicking when we all know that at the start of Firefly he was rubbish in a fight.

I pretty sure you're right there.

Him doing it himself's ever-so-much more dramtic, though, ain't it?


ED: Curses.

I suppose - but then he does say "the people who helped me free River" at some point in the Series i'm sure but i could be wrong. I don't think they are necessarily contradictory either as he is quite vague. And someone else is ferrying them out on that little platform so he clearly had help.

Still - Dr Hotbod is quite shit in a fight but he is pretty good at bluffing men in white coats as shown in Ariel. i think he could have carried it off.

Sefi x

The "people who helped me" bit is from the movie - as widdy said, in the series he says that another group got her out of the facility.

There aren't any obvious major plot points where the film differs from the series (except possibly Mal's rank at Serenity Valley). In fact, I think the most differences are in the ship itself, and there aren't many of those.

Yes - it's something I was very glad of. There are inevitable changes that have to be made when doing a TV-to-film transition but so much of it honoured the series that I was happyhappy.


Heehee - Dr. Hotbod indeed. Phwoar.

I do not see how this is a 'continuity error' - just a lack of clarity IMO. I think it is vague enough to count for both. He lied about a lot of things early on. I'm going with the Serenity version because Joss got to do a lot of what he wanted in the movie - more than the series.

Sefi x

I don't want to sound like I'm harping on about it, but it's not vague, it's just that Joss's used a bit of poetic licence and created a bit of a niggling clash.

He was also a wimpy bitchboy early on.



On the subject of errors, has anyone noticed the bit where Jayne in the background walks down a corridor on the ship twice? I think it's in "War Stories"...

Is the clash between the movie and the original pilot episode? If so, did they ever actually air the original pilot?

EDIT: I didn't notice the Jayne corridor thing, but then I don't usually first time through, and I've only watched most of the episodes once.

They did, just before they yanked the show off the air entirely.

Are you sure about that?



I don't find it niggling at all. Or a clash. More a minor inconsistancy.

Sefi x

Ah. I wondered if maybe the clash wouldn't count because the episode wasn't used except on the DVD. Fair enough.

Got it for Christmas and watched the whole first disc. Very good indeed!

I thought it might be a trumped up Stargate SG:1 but it's amazing.

Will watch the rest of them over the festive period.

-m0r

I was never bothered so much by the asskicking/wimp-boy conflict as I was by the Simon can pretend to be somone else/Simon can't bluff to save his life thing between the movie and Jaynestown. I've always excused it to myself as the guy he pretends to be in Serenity is sort of doctory but it kind of doesn't ring true.

Indeed - although, as has been shown in other episodes, when it comes to protecting River he becomes a changed person who will do anything to help her. So you could argue that he stops being self-conscious when River's life or health is at stake.

And you could argue that he was winging it in Jaynestown and didn't have to do much other than be an arrogant posh bloke in the movie.

Also, the film is supposed to take place months after the last episode of the series, so in that time I think it's fair to assume that there have been a number of incidents in which Simon holds Mal accountable for endangering their anonymity and safety. Dragging River along on a job is the last straw, of sorts.

The Serenity graphic novel they did explained some of that, as well as laying the ground for Book leaving etc.

You could present it as the natural evolution of the character, of course, which is the only possible way they could defend turning Data into a wisecracking moron in the latter Trek films.

It's a weak excuse, but who can argue with it?

Just switch off your nitpick-alert and enjoy the show.

Fillion's midseason replacement series is shaping up:
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=18184

Bummer about Alan Ruck, man. But EYYY! - Melanie Lynskey!

This does look fab. I am feeling positive but Tim Minear's great shows have cancellitis and hoepefully this will buck the trend. And Alan Rudd is fabulous - shame he had to leave. Still, show has La Fillion, the sexadelic kristin Lehman in it and maybe even Krycek.

Sefi x

My friends and I were having a discussion as to what we believe was the definitive Firefly episode, suffice to say there were many disagreements so I wondered which was your fave episode

Mine was 'Out Of Gas'

Others had the pilot ep or Objects in Space

Out Of Gads and Objects In Space are exceptional, but you need to define what you mean by 'definitive' in this instnace.

To me, 'War Stories' and 'Our Mrs Reynolds' are archetypal Firefly episodes, with comedy and drama and oh so many pretty people.

I'd say Objects in Space is my favourite, but Heart of Gold or War Stories really highlights all the characters in their most definitive roles I think.

Definitive as in the most clear cut, ultimate episode that defines what Firefly is...that encompasses everything that made Firefly the wonderful series it was if that helps

I liked them all equally - Even Jaynestown held a place in my heart.



-m0r

Indeed - what the highwayman says. For me - Objects in Space is fabulous because of the darkness and cleverness yet Out of Gas has the pure emotion, which packs a punch every time. And Our Mrs Reynolds is the fuckest-uppest because it is so darn funny. All parts of Joss's brain we love and adore. Heart of Gold is still torture for me every time - i get jealous. I am a spaz.

The only episodes i think are a tad 'meh' (a tiny tad) are Safe and Shindig - the latter to me is the archetypal Jane Espenson writing (she does it on Buffy too). Eg. great pace, style and some fab one-liners but ultimately a silly premise made sillier by over-written characters and daft plots.

But Safe has the out-take when the fly lands on Sean's nose. If he got any more adorable at that point, he'd be a fluffy kitten in an upturned Easter bonnet.

Sefi x

I've said before, my favourite outtake/deleted scene is the one where River puts something up her jumper and pretends to be pregnant. She's so cute in that scene.

I love that scene but i see why they omitted it - Mal is quite mean to YoSafBridge and it is slightly out of character.

And Summer has a smile to melt glaciers. The more i see her, the more i think she is the daughter of Sigourney Weaver. It's the eyes.

Sefi x

Typo corrected

My mistake. She has a power - what KITH call "The Deadly Sex look!".

Just for you Summer fans!!! - careful at work mebbe

Sefi x

I agree with what others have said about the ''definitive'' episodes; ''Out Of Gas'' and ''Objects In Space'' are great episodes and wonderful exercises in how to make great TV, but ''Wars Stories'' is, for me, the definitive episode in showing what Firefly is about; great characters, comedy and drama all interwoven wonderfully.