I normally don't like to reveal my theories because more often than not they're wrong.
Over the course of Firefly/Serenity I have had several slightly different theories about Book, my two 'best' were:
1. He was ANOTHER plant on Serenity, put on at the same time as the original in the first episode but was intended to act in a more subversive way - even without the knowledge of the agent. I believed this because of his fascination with River but also his very genuine desire to protect the agent from Mal/Jayne.
2. Book was a high ranking official/aristocrat in the Alliance system who made a conscious decision to leave the organisation due to a crisis of faith - becoming a shepherd of sorts. This is corroborated by the fact his ID got him medical attention on an Alliance ship; if the first theory were true, and he was a spy, he would be carrying no such identification.
...but I don't know.
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QUOTE (Ingram @ Nov 3 2005, 11:41 AM)
2. Book was a high ranking official/aristocrat in the Alliance system who made a conscious decision to leave the organisation due to a crisis of faith - becoming a shepherd of sorts. This is corroborated by the fact his ID got him medical attention on an Alliance ship; if the first theory were true, and he was a spy, he would be carrying no such identification.
Bingo. I'd be very surprised if it isn't something to this effect; it's most strongly corrorborated by (SPOILERS for those who still haven't seen Serenity, and shame on you!): the way Book warns Mal almost immediately that the nature of their current predicament means an Operative will be involved. The sureness with which he calls it not only backs the above theory but makes you wonder if maybe he knows this so well because that is exactly what he used to do until some major incident caused him to rethink his blind commitment to the Alliance. (Think about it...how easily could you see Chiwetel leaving that little chat with Mal at the end and walking straight into the nearest monastery?)
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Nov 3 2005, 10:20 PM)
Bingo. I'd be very surprised if it isn't something to this effect; it's most strongly corrorborated by (SPOILERS for those who still haven't seen Serenity, and shame on you!): the way Book warns Mal almost immediately that the nature of their current predicament means an Operative will be involved. The sureness with which he calls it not only backs the above theory but makes you wonder if maybe he knows this so well because that is exactly what he used to do until some major incident caused him to rethink his blind commitment to the Alliance. (Think about it...how easily could you see Chiwetel leaving that little chat with Mal at the end and walking straight into the nearest monastery?)
That's what I've been thinking, especially since the Operative was able to be given access to the archives without having a name or anything about rank on his ID card and, judging by the reaction of the guys on the Alliance ship in the series when they see Book's ID, they thought that they were dealing with someone who had amazingly high clearance and authority, like the Operative. If he was an operative though, I'd like to know what it was that turned him. Serenity 2? Pleas Joss, make it happen!
I really hoped Whedon wouldn't stumble down his old path of killing people off for no real reason other than to try and surprise me. Because obviously, if you're then expecting him to do it it's a bit worthless. Oh, and he sort of fumbled almost all of the action sequences. Other than that though, yeah it was ace.
QUOTE (whitey @ Nov 4 2005, 01:43 AM)
I really hoped Whedon wouldn't stumble down his old path of killing people off for no real reason other than to try and surprise me. Because obviously, if you're then expecting him to do it it's a bit worthless. Oh, and he sort of fumbled almost all of the action sequences. Other than that though, yeah it was ace.
On your first point - i couldn't agree more. Seems like it was done for sheer shock value.
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Nov 3 2005, 10:20 PM)
Bingo. I'd be very surprised if it isn't something to this effect; it's most strongly corrorborated by (SPOILERS for those who still haven't seen Serenity, and shame on you!): the way Book warns Mal almost immediately that the nature of their current predicament means an Operative will be involved. The sureness with which he calls it not only backs the above theory but makes you wonder if maybe he knows this so well because that is exactly what he used to do until some major incident caused him to rethink his blind commitment to the Alliance. (Think about it...how easily could you see Chiwetel leaving that little chat with Mal at the end and walking straight into the nearest monastery?)
This is EXACTLY what I thought. Add to this his high proficiency with weapons when they rescue Mal from the Russian guy, and the fact that he was able to apparently singlehandedly take down an attack ship when his village was attacked.
Whitey - I agree with your 'shock tactic' criticism. Still got me, though.
Ingram - your theory number 2 is exactly in line with what I thought.
Everybody - my word, that's a gaudy, crowded cover, isn't it?
Ingram - your theory number 2 is exactly in line with what I thought.
Everybody - my word, that's a gaudy, crowded cover, isn't it?
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2. Book was a high ranking official/aristocrat in the Alliance system who made a conscious decision to leave the organisation due to a crisis of faith - becoming a shepherd of sorts. This is corroborated by the fact his ID got him medical attention on an Alliance ship; if the first theory were true, and he was a spy, he would be carrying no such identification.
My idea too - i maybe even think he was once an operative himself.
And the cover is rubbish - Summer looks a bit wonky in her face and more glammed up than she ever was in the film. River being 17 and mentally ill looks a bit different. Everything above Mal's head is well rubbish - i concur.
I like the shot of River with the knife when the Alliance break through the compound. When her face is lit in that really beautiful way and she looks well cool.
Sefi x
QUOTE (Punkass @ Nov 2 2005, 05:09 PM)
*Squeeeeee* I know what I want for Christmas. But admittedly, the cover is shit.
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Nov 3 2005, 11:20 PM)
Bingo. I'd be very surprised if it isn't something to this effect; it's most strongly corrorborated by (SPOILERS for those who still haven't seen Serenity, and shame on you!): the way Book warns Mal almost immediately that the nature of their current predicament means an Operative will be involved. The sureness with which he calls it not only backs the above theory but makes you wonder if maybe he knows this so well because that is exactly what he used to do until some major incident caused him to rethink his blind commitment to the Alliance. (Think about it...how easily could you see Chiwetel leaving that little chat with Mal at the end and walking straight into the nearest monastery?)
Absolutely - you almost feel like the Operative's journey could have been Book's back story. I doubt we've heard the last of Book though.
Oh man that cover is SOOOOOOOOO shit!!!!!
Don't get me started...been complainging al over the web about it!
luvs nix
Don't get me started...been complainging al over the web about it!
luvs nix
That cover reminds me of the "Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within" cover, for some reason...
Yup, that it one shit DVD cover.
Although it is a little more eye-catching than the movie posters were (they were a little bland, it has to be said), not better - I say that only because the DVD has a more interesting colour scheme. But the layout and composition of the entire sleeve though is just pants - doesn't do the film any justice at all, making it look like a budgety sci-fi flick.
Let's hope the UK release is better.
Although it is a little more eye-catching than the movie posters were (they were a little bland, it has to be said), not better - I say that only because the DVD has a more interesting colour scheme. But the layout and composition of the entire sleeve though is just pants - doesn't do the film any justice at all, making it look like a budgety sci-fi flick.
Let's hope the UK release is better.
Hopefully the UK DVD cover will be the original film poster (the blue one).
I still think that would be a bit too bland for a DVD sleeve. Good though it was, I still felt that poster was still rather lacking something.
Fussy, me.
Fussy, me.
Joss posted a bit ago on the Browncoats forum commiserating the (lousy) news that Serenity won't get a release in Israel, apologizing to the Israeli fans, saying he unfortunately doesn't have control over where the film gets released, etc.
He followed that up quickly with a new thread called "DVD Cover." The whole of his post in that one: "Guess what else I don't have control over..."
He followed that up quickly with a new thread called "DVD Cover." The whole of his post in that one: "Guess what else I don't have control over..."
Hehehe.
How we love the Whedon-meister.
How we love the Whedon-meister.
More from the Joss-tacular one:
http://whedonesque.com/comments/8735
http://whedonesque.com/comments/8735
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I know there's been some debate about the DVD art. Just remember it's what's INside that counts, as I used to remind girls in high school constantly. CONSTANTLY - until I realized that I was empty inside. Empty and homely. Man, that's a rough combo. Where was I? O yea, the DVD.
Whenever i see Joss Whedon i think looks like a sweeter version of Dylan Thomas. I am bizarre.
Sefi x
Sefi x
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I don't agree with all of this, but a few good ideas.
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Serenity review: the nitty gritty
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005
Last week I saw Serenity for the second time. My father hadn't seen it yet and I had unfairly gotten him hooked on the DVD and not taken him yet. After the screening my father turned to me and said "Well...they're not going to be making any more of that, are they?"
What follows next are my thoughts on the movie and what I think the future holds for fans of Firefly. These thoughts contain MAJOR SPOILERS. So if you don't want this movie ruined for you, you should stop reading now.
Okay.
Angela and I saw Serenity in the best possible conditions: at a sneak peek with hundreds of Firefly fans. The movie was exciting, fast, funny, and reminded me why I fell in love with these characters in the first place. As a fan of Firefly, it delivered 100%.
My favorite line in the movie is "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar." It's the line we all want to quote, but can't bring ourselves to because it is now forever associated with the biggest shocker of the movie...the death of Wash.
I was surprisingly unaffected by the death of Shepard Book. I love his character and I would miss him from a television show. However, I was getting along fine and enjoying the movie without him, so it didn't hurt so much when he died. They had just spent a good portion of the movie convincing me that the Firefly universe could still be fun if Book was absent. But Wash? He's a big spark in that cast. It's hard to think of Firefly being the same without him there. But Wash and Book's death makes perfect sense.
Walking into the movie, we have expectations and unanswered questions left by the cancelled show:
1) Why is the alliance after River? What did they do to her and why?
2) Will Mal and Innara ever work out?
3) Will Simon and Kayleigh ever hook up?
4) What are the Reavers?
5) What is the deal with Shepherd Book's past?
The movie tied up every single one of these questions as far as I'm concerned. Joss tied up every loose end. The alliance made the reavers. Simon and Kayleigh hook up finally. Mal and Innara, in one exchange, figure out how to coexist without pushing each other away. The Reavers were made by the Pax. Maybe River was designed to fight them. I personally think that Book was once an operative like the one chasing the crew in this movie. I think he was once a believer for the alliance and much like the operative in this movie, he woke up and broke away. Everything got tied up.
And there were consequences. Changing consequences. The Alliance Parliament was shaken. Wash died. Book died. River was cured of a huge mental problem. Things are changed in that universe.
Which may mean that we won't be getting more Firefly. It certainly, in my opinion, means Joss Whedon is assuming we wont.
Serenity wasn't movie #1. It was movie #3. We got Return of the Jedi first because I don't think Joss was certain that if he started with movie #1 he would ever get a chance to show us movie #3. So he gave us the last movie first.
He let us see how things end first. He let us peek at the last page of his novel. He wanted to make sure that his fans got to see how everything ended. The final chapter. He gave us that first. And even though we know Wash dies, he can always show us previous chapters and we can all still enjoy them. Book and Wash still live in earlier stories that Joss and his cast have yet to tell us.
I really like that Serenity was so final. I like that we got to see how these guys end up. That they went through a lot but ended up okay, and made a difference in their world. I don't feel so sad now about the loss of the show because he gave us closure on these characters. I really can't thank Joss enough for doing that.
It's really a brilliant move.
So bottom line. Serenity really kicked me in the balls. It was fun, exciting and most importantly, satisfying. It really helped me scratch the itch that I couldn't reach after Firefly was taken from me.
Thank you Joss!
Posted on Thursday, November 17, 2005
Last week I saw Serenity for the second time. My father hadn't seen it yet and I had unfairly gotten him hooked on the DVD and not taken him yet. After the screening my father turned to me and said "Well...they're not going to be making any more of that, are they?"
What follows next are my thoughts on the movie and what I think the future holds for fans of Firefly. These thoughts contain MAJOR SPOILERS. So if you don't want this movie ruined for you, you should stop reading now.
Okay.
Angela and I saw Serenity in the best possible conditions: at a sneak peek with hundreds of Firefly fans. The movie was exciting, fast, funny, and reminded me why I fell in love with these characters in the first place. As a fan of Firefly, it delivered 100%.
My favorite line in the movie is "I am a leaf on the wind, watch how I soar." It's the line we all want to quote, but can't bring ourselves to because it is now forever associated with the biggest shocker of the movie...the death of Wash.
I was surprisingly unaffected by the death of Shepard Book. I love his character and I would miss him from a television show. However, I was getting along fine and enjoying the movie without him, so it didn't hurt so much when he died. They had just spent a good portion of the movie convincing me that the Firefly universe could still be fun if Book was absent. But Wash? He's a big spark in that cast. It's hard to think of Firefly being the same without him there. But Wash and Book's death makes perfect sense.
Walking into the movie, we have expectations and unanswered questions left by the cancelled show:
1) Why is the alliance after River? What did they do to her and why?
2) Will Mal and Innara ever work out?
3) Will Simon and Kayleigh ever hook up?
4) What are the Reavers?
5) What is the deal with Shepherd Book's past?
The movie tied up every single one of these questions as far as I'm concerned. Joss tied up every loose end. The alliance made the reavers. Simon and Kayleigh hook up finally. Mal and Innara, in one exchange, figure out how to coexist without pushing each other away. The Reavers were made by the Pax. Maybe River was designed to fight them. I personally think that Book was once an operative like the one chasing the crew in this movie. I think he was once a believer for the alliance and much like the operative in this movie, he woke up and broke away. Everything got tied up.
And there were consequences. Changing consequences. The Alliance Parliament was shaken. Wash died. Book died. River was cured of a huge mental problem. Things are changed in that universe.
Which may mean that we won't be getting more Firefly. It certainly, in my opinion, means Joss Whedon is assuming we wont.
Serenity wasn't movie #1. It was movie #3. We got Return of the Jedi first because I don't think Joss was certain that if he started with movie #1 he would ever get a chance to show us movie #3. So he gave us the last movie first.
He let us see how things end first. He let us peek at the last page of his novel. He wanted to make sure that his fans got to see how everything ended. The final chapter. He gave us that first. And even though we know Wash dies, he can always show us previous chapters and we can all still enjoy them. Book and Wash still live in earlier stories that Joss and his cast have yet to tell us.
I really like that Serenity was so final. I like that we got to see how these guys end up. That they went through a lot but ended up okay, and made a difference in their world. I don't feel so sad now about the loss of the show because he gave us closure on these characters. I really can't thank Joss enough for doing that.
It's really a brilliant move.
So bottom line. Serenity really kicked me in the balls. It was fun, exciting and most importantly, satisfying. It really helped me scratch the itch that I couldn't reach after Firefly was taken from me.
Thank you Joss!
I don't agree with all of this, but a few good ideas.
QUOTE (Ingram @ Nov 18 2005, 05:23 PM)
Today's PVP post:
I don't agree with all of this, but a few good ideas.
I don't agree with all of this, but a few good ideas.
Yeah, interesting, but I certainly don't believe everything was as tied up as the author suggests. There is still a great deal of speculation in there (about Book especially). I think it's largely because the series hinted at so much, that I can't help but feel we still have gaping holes in our knowledge. Don't tell me the TV series could have run for 5+ years and give away only a film's worth of secrets...
I've missed this at the cinema now haven't I?
And I call myself a fan.
And I call myself a fan.
QUOTE (Zoe @ Nov 18 2005, 05:52 PM)
I've missed this at the cinema now haven't I?
And I call myself a fan.
And I call myself a fan.
I hope you didn't read that piece above! Whatever you do....don't.
QUOTE (Jessopjessopjessop @ Nov 18 2005, 05:55 PM)
I hope you didn't read that piece above! Whatever you do....don't.
I've managed to avoid spoilers mainly by kicking people, but I am disappointed it has left cinemas and I won't get to see it on the big screen...
Unless I watch the DVD at work using our projector, cinema screen and Dolby surround sound.
But that would be illegal.
Illegal, schmillegal.
DO IT.
DO IT.
*We've done it before*
What's that? No of course I haven't.
What's that? No of course I haven't.
Sorry, I didn't hear what you said there.
Anyway.... IT OD.
Anyway.... IT OD.
Am I right in thinking that the Serenity/Firefly story takes place in a universe created for a PC game (I-War/I-War 2)?
QUOTE (Jessopjessopjessop @ Nov 18 2005, 05:55 PM)
I hope you didn't read that piece above! Whatever you do....don't.
Indeed! Wouldn't it be a good idea for one of the mods (who HAVE already seen the film) perhaps edit that lengthy quote in Ingram's post to include spoiler tags? Before it spoils it for those waiting for the DVD release?
Just a thought.
I assumed most of the Firefly faithful (those who read the thread) had seen Serenity... and there is a spoiler warning in the introduction.
That there is. Appy polly lodges.
Well, having now rented and spent the past few days watching the Firefly DVDs, I am now left with a burning desire to go and see Serenity again. Unfortunately, it left my area near a month ago. Guess I'll just have to wait for the DVD...
Finally, all of those little bits in the film that didn't make much sense, or have any real emotional impact, they all fall into place. Finally, the trailers that so irritated me, that nearly kept me from seeing the film, make sense; I can understand where they were coming from, now. Damn it, I did it all backwards!
And screw you, Joss Whedon, for writing a story irredeemably similar to the one I'd always wanted to write, and doing such a good job at it that any attempts on my part would be feeble and impotent by comparison.
All I can say is, what happened? How did such a brilliant programme get ripped from the airwaves without so much as a by-your-leave, whilst such crap as Fear Factor and Enterprise survive? Granted, they're on different networks, but couldn't someone purchase the rights from Fox and keep things going? I seem to recall that when MST3K was canned by Comedy Central, the Sci-Fi Channel came to the rescue...
Where are you now, Sci-Fi Channel? Cease with the horrendous movies and pick this up!
Finally, all of those little bits in the film that didn't make much sense, or have any real emotional impact, they all fall into place. Finally, the trailers that so irritated me, that nearly kept me from seeing the film, make sense; I can understand where they were coming from, now. Damn it, I did it all backwards!
And screw you, Joss Whedon, for writing a story irredeemably similar to the one I'd always wanted to write, and doing such a good job at it that any attempts on my part would be feeble and impotent by comparison.
All I can say is, what happened? How did such a brilliant programme get ripped from the airwaves without so much as a by-your-leave, whilst such crap as Fear Factor and Enterprise survive? Granted, they're on different networks, but couldn't someone purchase the rights from Fox and keep things going? I seem to recall that when MST3K was canned by Comedy Central, the Sci-Fi Channel came to the rescue...
Where are you now, Sci-Fi Channel? Cease with the horrendous movies and pick this up!
SciFi picked up the existing episodes and have been airing them in sequence, which is probably all that we're going to get from them. Unless they give up on the shit original movies entirely, I can't see them investing in another series when they've got one hit on their hands (Galactica) and seem happy enough with that. I don't trust them not to fumble the ball again, either. (See: Farscape)
QUOTE (thirtyhelens @ Nov 20 2005, 02:51 AM)
Unless they give up on the shit original movies entirely, I can't see them investing in another series when they've got one hit on their hands (Galactica) and seem happy enough with that. I don't trust them not to fumble the ball again, either. (See: Farscape)
Point.
Of course, they're not the only ones who are happy with it. I find that, for my money, it is one of the most engaging shows on the box.
Now if they'll only show us the rest of Season 2...
But, yeah, one should remain wary.
QUOTE (TheGimp @ Nov 18 2005, 09:56 PM)
Am I right in thinking that the Serenity/Firefly story takes place in a universe created for a PC game (I-War/I-War 2)?
It is similar isn't it, although I don't really think it's the same thing. There were no reavers that i remember, and it was the Indies, not the Browncoats. I-was was a seriously good game, i used to love in the first one, where you could switch to the Tactical console and you got the wireframe camera lock mode for dogfighting. I didn't get very far into I war 2 though, keep getting stuck on unbelievably herd levels, like hijacking the gunstars, and no sooner had I done that than I got stuck defending the Stepson base, or whatever it was the gunstars were for.
Anyway, Firefly, rocks.
You know what i love about FF? You see a new thing everytime you see an episode and we aren't just talking about the blatant pant-overspill over Kaylee's shoulder when she gets shot. 
For example - Objects in Space is one of the most unusual pieces of Scifi TV i have ever seen and i love that episode. What other show covers existential angst, and detachment/attachment of emotion to objects in such detail that it verges on semiotics? I can't think of one.
Plus the symbolism is something i find really interesting too - like, i only just noticed all four lead female characters represent an element - Zoe is fire, Kaylee is earth, Inara is air and River (obviously) is water.
Joss Whedon is a clever fella, isn't he? I just wish they could make some more episodes. *sniffs away tears*
Sefi x
For example - Objects in Space is one of the most unusual pieces of Scifi TV i have ever seen and i love that episode. What other show covers existential angst, and detachment/attachment of emotion to objects in such detail that it verges on semiotics? I can't think of one.
Plus the symbolism is something i find really interesting too - like, i only just noticed all four lead female characters represent an element - Zoe is fire, Kaylee is earth, Inara is air and River (obviously) is water.
Joss Whedon is a clever fella, isn't he? I just wish they could make some more episodes. *sniffs away tears*
Sefi x
QUOTE (Jubei @ Nov 21 2005, 09:40 AM)
It is similar isn't it, although I don't really think it's the same thing. There were no reavers that i remember, and it was the Indies, not the Browncoats. I-was was a seriously good game, i used to love in the first one, where you could switch to the Tactical console and you got the wireframe camera lock mode for dogfighting. I didn't get very far into I war 2 though, keep getting stuck on unbelievably herd levels, like hijacking the gunstars, and no sooner had I done that than I got stuck defending the Stepson base, or whatever it was the gunstars were for.
Anyway, Firefly, rocks.
Anyway, Firefly, rocks.
They are fantastic games. I'm trying to play the B5 mod for either game, but my system won't let me at the mo', prolly because I'm running XP.
I only ask because I remember reading somewhere that 2 PatComs/Corvettes can be seen in the background in one of the episodes of Firefly...
QUOTE (Omniscia @ Nov 20 2005, 05:28 AM)
Well, having now rented and spent the past few days watching the Firefly DVDs, I am now left with a burning desire to go and see Serenity again.
Awh, we got 'im good!
Ahhhh, Firefly. Why was it cancelled but Andromeda was kept in our misery? One of the great mysteies of the world. On the upside though, I read an interview with Whedon where he mentioned that in order to have Serenity made he had to sign some sort of contract saying that he had to make at least 3 movies before he could go back to making the series and that the studio said that if Serenity did well at the box office they'd fund those movies. Here's hoping it made enough eh?
QUOTE (NiteFall @ Nov 21 2005, 08:15 PM)
Ahhhh, Firefly. Why was it cancelled but Andromeda was kept in our misery? One of the great mysteies of the world. On the upside though, I read an interview with Whedon where he mentioned that in order to have Serenity made he had to sign some sort of contract saying that he had to make at least 3 movies before he could go back to making the series and that the studio said that if Serenity did well at the box office they'd fund those movies. Here's hoping it made enough eh?
If the data over at the Internet Movie Database is correct, it was budgeted at about $40 million USD, and has so far taken in just over $25 million in the States, and £2.5 million pounds in the UK, so it's probably earned about $30 million...
One hopes the DVD sales are strong, and good for the long haul.
QUOTE (TheGimp @ Nov 21 2005, 09:51 PM)
I only ask because I remember reading somewhere that 2 PatComs/Corvettes can be seen in the background in one of the episodes of Firefly...
And there's a perfectly good reason to watch the whole series again
If you watch the pilot of the new Battlestar Galactica, in the scene where the to-be-president lady is getting told she has cancer, if you look cloely you actually see a Firefly class ship taking off in the background.
QUOTE (NiteFall @ Nov 22 2005, 01:51 PM)
If you watch the pilot of the new Battlestar Galactica, in the scene where the to-be-president lady is getting told she has cancer, if you look cloely you actually see a Firefly class ship taking off in the background.
Are you serious? That's awesome.
Firefly also gets referenced in the opening episode of Family Guy season four, for those who haven't seen it yet. I was pleasantly surprised to hear the name said on another show.
QUOTE (maian @ Nov 22 2005, 03:09 PM)
Firefly also gets referenced in the opening episode of Family Guy season four, for those who haven't seen it yet. I was pleasantly surprised to hear the name said on another show.
Aye, but if it's the quote I'm thinking of it's hardly the most complimentary reference I've ever heard.
QUOTE (gulfcoast_highwayman @ Nov 22 2005, 03:11 PM)
Aye, but if it's the quote I'm thinking of it's hardly the most complimentary reference I've ever heard.
Spoilers in place for FG fans.
The one I'm thinking of is the one that has Peter saying ''They have replaced us with quality shows like...'' then he says a long list of shows that have been cancelled since Family Guy was, including Firefly, then Lois says something like ''So if all those fall through, we might get back on?'' ''Neh, maybe''
So it's not exactly uncomplimentary, it's just a slightly saddening one to hear as a Firefly fan.
SFX Awards 2005 have been announced...and guess what won everything. And I do mean everything.
Best Film
Best Actor Nathan Fillion (Alan Tuydyk fifth, Adam Baldwin sixth)
Best Actress Summer Glau (Gina Torres second, Jewel Staite fifth)
Best Director
Also
Sexiest Man Nathan Fillion
Best Comic Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
(Doctor Who got all the TV awards, and Sith, The Hall of Shame Award )
Best Film
Best Actor Nathan Fillion (Alan Tuydyk fifth, Adam Baldwin sixth)
Best Actress Summer Glau (Gina Torres second, Jewel Staite fifth)
Best Director
Also
Sexiest Man Nathan Fillion
Best Comic Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
(Doctor Who got all the TV awards, and Sith, The Hall of Shame Award
)
QUOTE (Sostie @ Nov 22 2005, 07:45 PM)
SFX Awards 2005 have been announced...and guess what won everything. And I do mean everything.
That's all rather fantastic.
QUOTE (Sostie @ Nov 22 2005, 07:45 PM)
SFX Awards 2005 have been announced...and guess what won everything. And I do mean everything.
Best Film
Best Actor Nathan Fillion (Alan Tuydyk fifth, Adam Baldwin sixth)
Best Actress Summer Glau (Gina Torres second, Jewel Staite fifth)
Best Director
Also
Sexiest Man Nathan Fillion
Best Comic Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
(Doctor Who got all the TV awards, and Sith, The Hall of Shame Award )
Best Film
Best Actor Nathan Fillion (Alan Tuydyk fifth, Adam Baldwin sixth)
Best Actress Summer Glau (Gina Torres second, Jewel Staite fifth)
Best Director
Also
Sexiest Man Nathan Fillion
Best Comic Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
(Doctor Who got all the TV awards, and Sith, The Hall of Shame Award
)FECKING EXCELLENT! Summer deserves it for sure. Any links you know of Sostie?
Sexiest man for Fillion? Matter of personal taste for me (ahem) but i approve. he has a nice arse.
I dislike Dr Who so can't say i care what it wins. Sorry.
Sefi x
QUOTE (Sostie @ Nov 22 2005, 07:45 PM)
SFX Awards 2005 have been announced...and guess what won everything. And I do mean everything.
Best Film
Best Actor Nathan Fillion (Alan Tuydyk fifth, Adam Baldwin sixth)
Best Actress Summer Glau (Gina Torres second, Jewel Staite fifth)
Best Director
Also
Sexiest Man Nathan Fillion
Best Comic Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
(Doctor Who got all the TV awards, and Sith, The Hall of Shame Award )
Best Film
Best Actor Nathan Fillion (Alan Tuydyk fifth, Adam Baldwin sixth)
Best Actress Summer Glau (Gina Torres second, Jewel Staite fifth)
Best Director
Also
Sexiest Man Nathan Fillion
Best Comic Astonishing X-Men by Joss Whedon
(Doctor Who got all the TV awards, and Sith, The Hall of Shame Award
)Where did you find them? There's nothing on the SFX web site that I can see . . .
QUOTE (Raven @ Nov 23 2005, 01:34 PM)
Where did you find them? There's nothing on the SFX web site that I can see . . .
The new issue of SFX appeared on the shelves yesterday...its in there.
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