Yeah, it is, but I can`t slag it off too much. After all, it provides me with targets for kicking.

Well in that case it's saying that "standard" hardcore isn't emotional already. It's still snobbery, as it's still using the term to differentiate itself from something it's derived from.

Not really. Hardcore punk at the time was full of passion, but the lyrics'd generally be simplistic, and the passion would usually be violent and anti-establishment. With real emo, punk rockers began incorporating more complex themes into their music, with less emphasis on the "spirit of punk" and more on expressing themselves in different ways to a backing track that was still the same as punk music. So, as you say, it was a way of differentiating these new emocore types from the more traditional hardcore fans. It doesn't imply snobbery in any way, you're just taking it like that because scene kids are generally pretentious twats, and that's influenced your definition of the term "emo"

The term isn't qualitative, it doesn't say whether emotionality in music is good or bad. It merely differentiates a type of music by identifying a common prominent aspect - it's emotionality. Emo probably tends to be more nakedly emotional than hardcore. You could say the term 'thrash metal' is snobbish because it suggests other metal isn't thrashy.

Yes but like I said before... All music has emotional impact. That's why people listen to it. I didn't say what KIND of emotion... Emotional doesn't just mean miserable as emo seems to think it is.

When people say someone is being 'emotional' they often mean not just that person has emotions but that that person is outwardly exhibiting their emotions more so then is normal. I think this is the same with emo in relation to hardcore.

Also, I think people listen to music for different reasons than just emotional impact. Such as the way it sounds. If emotional impact was the only reason people listened to music then I could scream in pain into a microphone and it might be consider good music.

Not really. Hardcore punk at the time was full of passion, but the lyrics'd generally be simplistic, and the passion would usually be violent and anti-establishment. With real emo, punk rockers began incorporating more complex themes into their music,

Im not sure about the simplistic lyrics - i sometimes needed a dictionary to work out what they were on about. The passion was violent (music wise, and maybe protest wise) and anti establishment but that what it was about - giving a shit about whats wrong with our world.

And where did all the crusties go??????????

Sorry, I was trying to establish the legitimacy of the term without knowing the music so I was only speculating. Why was it called emo, emotional hardcore, if the difference is actually more complex themes. Couldn't these more complex themes somehow involve a more emotional approach? With, say, more introspective lyrics, for example, which is kind of what I trying to get at.

Look it, look it!

the thing which annoys me isnt the emo scene. But the scene people believe is emo.
Real eemo is what was mentioned about things like rites of spring all started years ago. And again people above have said there are still real emo bands.
But a couple of bands did have some very basic trends of emo and labelled themselves and it has now a huge following mainly from people who were worse poser goths. In a year or two today emo will be completely gone well hopefully and the true emo from the late 80's early 90's will be known as true emo.
Tjhose SAD and PATHETIC people will try and suck the life out of another genre.

Funeral for a friend are not FUCKING EMO

Very true.

They are shite, though.

please dont throw garbage at me but i quite like them

~Throws emo records instead~

Or does that qualify as garbage?

Hmmm. Garbage...they`re crap as well.

that post was so emo.

damn it you have made me cry

i love how youre all labelling stuff etc. and am i the first to have noticed? you all say "i hate labels and stuff" but then you go and argue the true meanings of the words you were supposed to be hating in the first place. if you really hate all these names why do you care if they get misused? "actually youre using that name in the wrong way, only the true blablabla"..... could we just discuss music, please? and not get worked up about whats "REAL emo" and whats "REAL hardcore" because to be honest, i dont think anybody really cares. personally i hate all those little groups and images and stuff, but i dont get so worked up about it. just let people dress how they want, and listen to what they want, and if theyre saying that theyre something that theyre not, then it doesnt really matter, because you can THINK what you like. i just looked at this thread hoping for enlightenment on what the hell an "emo" was, and i guess i havent found an answer, so ill just assume its the people that walk around looking moody with their £500 boots and their fancy looking hair.

anyway, back on topic, i like lots of bands. i dont like a lot of whats in the charts, but i tolerate all music. at the moment im listening to a lot of libertines, and i just got tracy chapmans new album, so im listening to that aswell. how about you guys?

I'm glad you love that. Where's it happening, though?

Try reading it. Point is, emo's been a term applied two two distinct types of music, and it's scene kids' fault for confusing people who're interested in music classification.

That's not on topic.

Ahh , the short , sweet , direct to the point nature that only Blind I/O can acheive.
Marvellous.

very true very true and wonderful comeback
good work

Can i raise one point, its amazing really how supposed "emos" who have the worst lifes ever and can never get a relationship and stuff are actually not that bad off for money. Me and my friends figured out it must cost loads to be emo, clothes, trendy hair, hair dye, jewellery, cds, belts, makeup etc, which brings me to conclude, they cant have that crap a life. Also previous chavvy girls or whatever have turned emo i put this down to they notice all the guys pay more attention or something or it makes them look cool. What is emo, what the fucks hardcore, im just confused by the whole lot of it. Why follow these crazy trends, are we restricted to confined social stereotypes these days or something. Well either way ive realised who cares what people look like, like or whatever, you have to stay true to yourself.

They're just bored rich kids really, mad with the world.

See "Pulp - Common People"

What's the difference between being rich and mad with the world, and poor and mad with the world?

Dunno really, im just bitter. I guess im under the impression if you are so upset and stuff why buy stuff that section you into a category, what help would that do.

Just thought I'd share this with the collective.

Lol now THAT is funny!

The EMO fashion is just so stupid, i mean really who wears trousers that are three sizes too small for them yety stupidly tight around the lower leg. I mean c'mon people dress sensibly

Yeah, wear incredibly loose trousers with millions of straps.