Cubie
Jan 22 2005, 05:23 PM
yes it's true, i've never seen Star Wars. and realisticly, i never want to. I understand the plot lines, know catchphrases, have knowledge of how upset the fans got by Phantom Menace.
And it's all these things that have made me never ever to want to see Star Wars, because I dont want to become a little StarWars geek who gets upset over fucking Jar Jar Binks.
I'm going to die happy knowing I've never sat through a whole Star Wars movie.
I was the same with the Matrix but eventually I watched that, and was appalled.
Anyone else never ever ever seen an entire Star Wars film? huh? huh?
fear_of_pop
Jan 22 2005, 05:29 PM
I've never watched any of the main three all the way through, because I always fall asleep. (I am borderline insomniac, so that's pretty cool).
And that's not to say they are terrible films, just that they don't hold my interest enough for me to stay conscious. I'm sure they have lots to offer, I'll just never know.
fatmanintweed
Jan 22 2005, 10:20 PM
I've only seen the Phantom Menace.
I'm going to get beaten up, aren't I?
fear_of_pop
Jan 23 2005, 12:32 AM
It's all right, Star Wars fans aren't very strong.
pots
Jan 23 2005, 12:41 AM
yaaay!
i have never sat through a whole star wars film tho i have seen enough bits of each of them to know whats going on.
i remember being at a birthday party when i was a wee nipper and everyone being really excited that they had a star wars video to watch - i went and played football in the street.
had a bit of a smug feeling when everyone was so disappointed at phantom menace - i remember thinking 'well they're only kids films anyway, what were you expecting...?'
Stella MM
Jan 23 2005, 01:04 AM
I've only ever seen bits of the three originals, as much as I could stomach anyway - as Harrison Ford said, "You can write this shit, George, but you sure as hell can't say it". I've not seen a bit of the two new ones.
I wouldn't say I'm proud, exactly, but I haven't got a problem with my non-viewing.
Starscream`s Ghost
Jan 23 2005, 02:16 AM
QUOTE (fear_of_pop @ Jan 23 2005, 12:32 AM)
It's all right, Star Wars fans aren't very strong.

Only in the Force, anyway.
Zoe
Jan 23 2005, 01:01 PM
I'm quote surprised so many Spaced fans have never seen Star Wars, I would have expected the two to go hand in hand.
Personally I have the original untampered with trilogy (i.e. taped off the tv before the special editions came out) and the shiny DVD special editions and both have their merit.
I also have the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Phantom Menace is pretty poor but interesting as a historical document and I'm quite a fan of AoTC it's a very funny film with some kick ass light sabre battles.
We also have copious amounts of toys in the attic at home, with one or two of my favourites on display in my flat.
Oh and I have a light sabre (in its box naturally).
So yeah...I've seen them once or twice.
EDIT: Oh and I forgot to say my hair is in Leia buns as we speak (I only just realised this).
Jon 79
Jan 23 2005, 01:57 PM
QUOTE (Zoe @ Jan 23 2005, 01:01 PM)
EDIT: Oh and I forgot to say my hair is in Leia buns as we speak (I only just realised this).
I didn't know people actually went for that style without realising the SW connection.
Do you wear it like that alot?
Zoe
Jan 23 2005, 02:25 PM
QUOTE (Jon 79 @ Jan 23 2005, 01:57 PM)
I didn't know people actually went for that style without realising the SW connection.
Do you wear it like that alot?
Well I obviously am aware that this is a hairstyle not dissimilar to Princess Leia, what I meant was I forgot I had it like this when I was writing that post. Don't get me wrong it's not full on Chelsea buns, but two buns it is nonetheless.
Since my hair is long and very thick I wear it like this quite a lot as it's easy and keeps it out of the way.
I either look like Princess Leia or just a bit of a swiss miss.
frostitute
Jan 23 2005, 07:47 PM
I haven't seen Attack of the Clones yet, that's about it.
I
love the games of these however, like Simon said in the CHUD interview:
QUOTE
Pegg: I really enjoy Jedi Outcast, the Star Wars game. That’s where they get it right. You know why that is? Why the games are better than the films? Because he delegated it to Star Wars fans and Star Wars fans are making the ancillary media. They understand it better than he does.
And he's right! The games >>>>> the movies!
Withnail
Jan 24 2005, 04:48 PM
Loving this thread! I've seen all three original movies buy that's only because I'm so old. If you haven't seen then you're not really missing that much. Personally I've never been able to work out what the big deal is about what amounts to one good film (Jedi) and two mediocre ones.
Svein
Jan 24 2005, 05:02 PM
QUOTE (fear_of_pop @ Jan 23 2005, 01:32 AM)
It's all right, Star Wars fans aren't very strong.

Slapping on the armour and grabbing the swords...Excuse you...?
Svein
Jan 24 2005, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (Zoe @ Jan 23 2005, 02:01 PM)
I'm quote surprised so many Spaced fans have never seen Star Wars, I would have expected the two to go hand in hand.
Personally I have the original untampered with trilogy (i.e. taped off the tv before the special editions came out) and the shiny DVD special editions and both have their merit.
I also have the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Phantom Menace is pretty poor but interesting as a historical document and I'm quite a fan of AoTC it's a very funny film with some kick ass light sabre battles.
We also have copious amounts of toys in the attic at home, with one or two of my favourites on display in my flat.
Oh and I have a light sabre (in its box naturally).
So yeah...I've seen them once or twice.
EDIT: Oh and I forgot to say my hair is in Leia buns as we speak (I only just realised this).
Congratulations... I have made you my new best friend!
Starscream`s Ghost
Jan 24 2005, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (Withnail @ Jan 24 2005, 04:48 PM)
Loving this thread! I've seen all three original movies buy that's only because I'm so old. If you haven't seen then you're not really missing that much. Personally I've never been able to work out what the big deal is about what amounts to one good film (Jedi) and two mediocre ones.
You`re saying Empire is a mediocre film???
I find your lack of faith...disturbing.
Svein
Jan 24 2005, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (Starscream`s Ghost @ Jan 24 2005, 06:12 PM)
You`re saying Empire is a mediocre film???
I find your lack of faith...disturbing.
I would have to agree with you there... Empire is the best of the lot of them... by a long shot...
Better effects, better directing, better dialogue, better, ballsier villains... after all... Boba Fett is the only character that's been able to have a go a Vader and live... so far...
Zoe
Jan 24 2005, 05:19 PM
QUOTE (Withnail @ Jan 24 2005, 04:48 PM)
Loving this thread! I've seen all three original movies buy that's only because I'm so old. If you haven't seen then you're not really missing that much. Personally I've never been able to work out what the big deal is about what amounts to one good film (Jedi) and two mediocre ones.
All 'Jedi' had was a bunch of Muppets
Jessopjessopjessop
Jan 24 2005, 05:47 PM
Empire is a quality film, whether you like Star Wars or not. It's well shot, has superb action set-pieces, nice dry humour, imaginative locations and a cliffhanger ending...what's not to like?
It also happens to be my favourite film ever.
whixie
Jan 24 2005, 06:25 PM
I've only ever seen the first one.
I've just never happened to see it on TV and I don't have a sibling/parent who was into it and none of my friends at school were. mind you, none of them liked films really. I had to make a point of asking to see the first one. There are so many films I need to see that it never really came up.
Sostie
Jan 24 2005, 06:54 PM
I know a few people who only saw them recently and they werent that impressed. They mean more to those that grew up with them.
Having said that..I did grow up with them and Star Wars was great when it came out but now I enjoy it for nostalgia value...let's face it...other than the effects its a pretty unoriginal and not particularly well directed film.
Empire is great...Jedi is shite. And the least said about the last two monstrosities the better.
constantly bored
Jan 24 2005, 10:52 PM
I am actually in the process of watching empire at the moment, as I just borrowed the boxset. My intention was to prove that I still hate the original three, but I have to admit I really enjoying them, something strange is happening to me
Lazlo Woodbine
Jan 24 2005, 11:53 PM
Empire is probably the only classic of the series. There are great moments in all three origianl films and even the new ones have some good set pieces (shame about the scripts, crap cgi creatures etc). It's impossible not to get excited about Episode III if you grew up with those films. It's hardwired into the brain.
Svein
Jan 25 2005, 09:17 AM
QUOTE (Lazlo Woodbine @ Jan 25 2005, 12:53 AM)
Episode III if you grew up with those films. It's hardwired into the brain.
That I would agree with. I would also state that for me, my only problem with Eps I and II is that they don't fare well under repeated watching, unlike the Eps IV, V, and VI. I enjoyed TPM and AOTC in the theatres, but found myself getting more and more frustrated with the bad acting and bad dialogue the more and more that I watched them...
rebelstar
Jan 25 2005, 10:40 AM
QUOTE (Cubie @ Jan 22 2005, 05:23 PM)
And it's all these things that have made me never ever to want to see Star Wars, because I dont want to become a little StarWars geek who gets upset over fucking Jar Jar Binks.
I find it quite easy to watch a film without becoming obsessive and geeky about it - you should try it sometime.
tameblue
Jan 25 2005, 10:02 PM
QUOTE (rebelstar @ Jan 25 2005, 10:40 AM)
I find it quite easy to watch a film without becoming obsessive and geeky about it - you should try it sometime.
OOOOOOooooooooooo......lol
Raven
Jan 25 2005, 11:54 PM
QUOTE (Lazlo Woodbine @ Jan 24 2005, 11:53 PM)
It's impossible not to get excited about Episode III if you grew up with those films. It's hardwired into the brain.
I
was there at the beginning . . . (

) and no, I'm not excited about episode III because I and II were just utter rubbish . . .
Cubie
Jan 26 2005, 08:11 AM
the sad thing is, in years to come, like the year 3005 or some shit, we'll have museums dotted around charting life in the 80's, 90's and 00's and the only thing they will have is a shit load of Star Wars merchandise, and they will say *everyone* loved Star Wars.
I'm going to raise my kids to repent all things Star Wars, and if they dare even try to watch one of the films I'll skin them and cover them in salt. You've got to have a firm hand with these kids.
Philipo
Jan 27 2005, 06:50 PM
the new films do suck quite a lot, but seeing the trailor for episode three is exciting, even though the trailers for the other two looked good and the films were pants.
Ilove the originals though and empire is the best. For my dissertation for uni im writting about myths and how george lucas, used mythilogical characters and storys to write the trilogy.
How geeky is that
Sostie
Jan 27 2005, 07:07 PM
QUOTE (Philipo @ Jan 27 2005, 06:50 PM)
Ilove the originals though and empire is the best. For my dissertation for uni im writting about myths and how george lucas, used mythilogical characters and storys to write the trilogy.
Except he didn't really seek out and use established myths himself. He used Joseph Campbell's "The Hero With a Thousand Faces" a book about heroic myths.
Maybe your dissertation should be how Lucas read someone elses definitive book about myths and used that as the blueprint for his film.
I say film because I think the whole "I always intended it to be a trilogy" stuff is bollocks. I remember as a kid reading an interview just after Star Wars and the ideas he had for Star Wars follow ups were possible prequels...The Life Of Obi Wan or Han Solo...doesnt really fit in with the planned trilogy idea.
Oh yeah..he ripped off Kurosawa's "Hidden Fortress" as well.
Raven
Jan 27 2005, 07:18 PM
QUOTE (Sostie @ Jan 27 2005, 07:07 PM)
I say film because I think the whole "I always intended it to be a trilogy" stuff is bollocks.
That's fairly self evident from watching The Phantom Menace alone - the lack of continuity with the first three films was shockingly bad.
le plat
Jan 27 2005, 08:04 PM
I don't think I'd be proud if I hadn't seen a film. Pleased, if it was something I thought I wouldn't like, but not proud.
Its a bit like saying 'ha ha! all you fools spending your hard earned money watching a film that you really quite enjoyed, check me out with my lack of cinemagoing experience'.
I am pleased that I've never seen all of Bean-The Movie. I walked out after ten minutes. If I'm really lucky I'll never get drunk and land on it whilst channel-hopping.
mngene
Jan 27 2005, 08:09 PM
QUOTE (Starscream`s Ghost @ Jan 23 2005, 02:16 AM)
Only in the Force, anyway.
Speak for yourself
constantly bored
Jan 27 2005, 09:31 PM
QUOTE (le plat @ Jan 27 2005, 09:04 PM)
Its a bit like saying 'ha ha! all you fools spending your hard earned money watching a film that you really quite enjoyed, check me out with my lack of cinemagoing experience'.
Actually I've never paid a penny to watch any of the films. Firstly I watched it on the telly 'coz I was too wee for the cinema. Then my ex paid when I went to the cinema, then I borrowed the phantom menace (from the ex again), then I borrowed the boxset. So really I don't see that there's any excuse not to have watched
any of them, even if you do think they're shite.
Philipo
Jan 28 2005, 12:00 PM
im actually reading joseph campbells hero with a thousand faces. its clear to see how this book helped him (George Lucas) map out the whole of lukes quest.
It also shows how other films follow the same format, about the hero and his adventure:
Look at the matrix, neo is the latest luke
Little frodo, hairy feet same trip
Marty McFly,
sorry im still geeky....
Douglas Nicol
Jan 28 2005, 02:53 PM
The thing that irritates me about Lucas is that he tried sueing people like Glen A Larson saying he 'copied' Star Wars.
Hello, look at the old 60's war film 633 Squadron where a Squadron of Mosquitoes are required to maneovre straight down this trench....sorry fjord, while avoiding turbolaser, sorry German AA fire, then fire their proton torpedoes, again, apologies I meant bombs at this exhaust port, or small rock overhang. *sarcasm*
And as for the dialogue, the original films had some cheesy dialogue, but the new films, you could make a cheese mountain out of it.
"I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me", that's a line that Mills & Boons would have rejected as being too crappy.
Svein
Jan 28 2005, 03:19 PM
QUOTE (Douglas Nicol @ Jan 28 2005, 03:53 PM)
The thing that irritates me about Lucas is that he tried sueing people like Glen A Larson saying he 'copied' Star Wars.
Well... he did have a valid point. There were parts of Battlestar Galactica which were obviously HEAVILY influenced by Star Wars. Lucas, on the other hand, borrowed from multiple sources...
Raven
Jan 28 2005, 04:27 PM
QUOTE (Svein @ Jan 28 2005, 03:19 PM)
Well... he did have a valid point. There were parts of Battlestar Galactica which were obviously HEAVILY influenced by Star Wars.
Such as?
Svein
Jan 28 2005, 04:30 PM
Huge base ships. Single seat fighters. Aircraft carrier style ships. Stoic hero and roguish hero...
Raven
Jan 28 2005, 04:46 PM
They also both had humans in them and were both set in space . . .
I don't see any real similarities myself - the basic plots and themes are completely different.
I always thought that Lucas suing anyone for plagiarism was a bit rich when he lifted the lines used in the Death Star attack almost word for word from The Dambusters . . .
Svein
Jan 28 2005, 05:12 PM
QUOTE (Raven @ Jan 28 2005, 05:46 PM)
They also both had humans in them and were both set in space . . .
I don't see any real similarities myself - the basic plots and themes are completely different.
I always thought that Lucas suing anyone for plagiarism was a bit rich when he lifted the lines used in the Death Star attack almost word for word from The Dambusters . . .
I don't agree with it, but I do think that if you had not had Star Wars, you would not have had Battlestar Galactica...
Besides, the newer verson of BG is superior!
Raven
Jan 28 2005, 05:21 PM
QUOTE (Svein @ Jan 28 2005, 05:12 PM)
I don't agree with it, but I do think that if you had not had Star Wars, you would not have had Battlestar Galactica...
Absolutely, but jumping on the band wagon isn’t really grounds for suing someone!
Jollyjaffaman
Jan 28 2005, 11:02 PM
Nope. Never seen one millimetre of footage.
Ah, bollocks.....I'm lying.
JJM
Nonus Aequilibrium
Jan 29 2005, 01:57 AM
I think the only one I've seen all the way through was phantom menace. I've seen quite a bit of all three original films, but I always either got bored halfway through or started watching after it was already partway through. I can't remember a great deal of them, other than the fact that they were generally crap.
Philipo
Jan 31 2005, 08:56 AM
i was listening to george on the commentry for the original films. it sounds as if he regrets alot about those films and prefers his shit new stuff.
I think if the starwars trilogy hadnt been made until now, And he was making the originals today they would suck. instead of charming characters like Chewbacca and other practical effects, puppets and amazing locations on earth it would all be CGI bullshit.
What really pisses me off about films today is that film makers have access to so many special effects and advanced technology, that sometimes they forget that they have to tell a story too.
Some films are a success, like with Golem in the lord of the rings film. But when you watch a film like Daredevil its just "look at what we can do" with an effects showcase.
constantly bored
Jan 31 2005, 02:27 PM
QUOTE (Philipo @ Jan 31 2005, 09:56 AM)
What really pisses me off about films today is that film makers have access to so many special effects and advanced technology, that sometimes they forget that they have to tell a story too.
Couldn't agree more. I've had so many arguements about this in the past. I would rather see shitty special effects and a good story than vice versa. And I always start to get a little dubious when trailers feature large amounts of cgi, as it quite often means it'll be a shit movie.
Philipo
Jan 31 2005, 02:38 PM
yeah it is off putting sometimes when you see a trilor and its all just special effects. Another great example of a film(s) which has a good story and amazing effects is spiderman and spiderman 2. i was watching them the other day and there completely flawless, for the combination of effects with classical shot scenes and a "story".
Clementine
Jan 31 2005, 05:06 PM
QUOTE (Philipo @ Jan 31 2005, 02:38 PM)
yeah it is off putting sometimes when you see a trilor and its all just special effects. Another great example of a film(s) which has a good story and amazing effects is spiderman and spiderman 2. i was watching them the other day and there completely flawless, for the combination of effects with classical shot scenes and a "story".
Hell yes. Bang on. *Clapping* etc.
I love Star Wars though. Sundays afternoons with Han Solo...mmmm
Philipo
Jan 31 2005, 05:22 PM
QUOTE (Clementine @ Jan 31 2005, 05:06 PM)
Hell yes. Bang on. *Clapping* etc.
I love Star Wars though. Sundays afternoons with Han Solo...mmmm
Thankyou thankyou.
I just get angry with special effect suck fests
Nonus Aequilibrium
Jan 31 2005, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (Philipo @ Jan 31 2005, 02:38 PM)
yeah it is off putting sometimes when you see a trilor and its all just special effects. Another great example of a film(s) which has a good story and amazing effects is spiderman and spiderman 2. i was watching them the other day and there completely flawless, for the combination of effects with classical shot scenes and a "story".
Hmm, personally I thought Spiderman was a load of cack, especially the effects...
Douglas Nicol
Jan 31 2005, 05:45 PM
I think that the CGI used in Lord of the Rings was well done, and supplemented rather than took over the story, but to me the prime example of bad use of CGI was in Attack of the Clones, in the Coruscant chase sequence.
In my mind, there was an overload of CGI there, and while I appreciate that they were trying to show the vastness of this city there was no focal point for you to concentrate on.
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