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whitey
http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/april05/blackadder030401.php

Auf Wiedersehen Pet, The Two Ronnies, French and Saunders, Dr. Who, signing those Morcambe and Wise play guys to do a Morecambe and Wise-esque show, and now this. Somebody needs firing.
Svein
Tony Robinson has been saying for years that he wanted another Blackadder series... I'm all in favour of it!
Zoe
Unless Time Team scheduling gets in the way.

*Tee hee*
rebelstar
Christ. What's next - a third series of The Young Ones?
triscrote
Perhaps a lot of focus is on the 'new' digital channels? there seems to have been a massive push to all the new programmes on 3,4 and their digital radio stuff.
Stella MM
Oh for god's sake. Surely the fact that Blackadder Back and Forth was a complete shambles should suggest to these 'high level executives' (i.e. Daddy's boys and girls with no braincells but plenty of high society connections) that bringing back the series would be a terrible idea.

The BBC's New Talent scheme also suggests they're running out of ideas. Get aspiring media students to compete for work at the BBC, nick all their ideas and not give them long-term employment:

QUOTE (The Guardian 5th April)
A waste of talents

Youngsters who won a place on the BBC's talent scheme found out there was no guarantee of a permanent job, writes Rob Harris

When Katey Siddall beat 12,000 rivals to a place on one of the BBC's talent schemes, she thought it would be the break that would launch her career. At 18 years old, soap fame and a promising acting career beckoned: "I thought I'd hit the big time," she says. Mal Young, then the BBC's head of continuing drama, appeared to agree: "With so many popular series being produced for BBC1 each year, we were delighted to find such excellent acting talent," he said at the time.

But two years after her early, promising success in the BBC Talent initiative, reality has bitten. Despite the promise of a contract for a major BBC drama series, Siddall appeared in only seven episodes of the daytime soap Doctors and is now going through more formal acting training at the University of Central Lancashire.

Hers is not an isolated case. One of the key elements of the BBC Talent project was Making It, the televised search for a children's TV presenter. Yet its winner, Maddy Stevens, below, who won a year-long contract with Children's BBC in 2002 after gruelling auditions and a viewers' vote, now works at the mobile phone retailer Carphone Warehouse after the BBC decided not to renew her contract.

Stevens finds the experience difficult to talk about, but her mother, Julia, says the BBC did not provide enough support and training for her daughter, who was then 19. "Maddy was terribly privileged to have been a winner of BBC Talent. She wore the badge well and she made a lot of money for them. But they exploited her. I knew something was wrong, yet she was too proud and wouldn't tell me. I ended up phoning the BBC myself to complain that they hadn't supported her. They replied: 'We don't teach people here.' They can't be allowed to get away with this: the sheer exploitation of young, free and able youngsters who bring a sense of imagination."

The experiences of Siddall and Stevens would appear to suggest that winning a place on BBC Talent is far from a guarantee of long-term employment: of the 600 contracts awarded to performers, writers, presenters, composers and programme makers in the five years since BBC Talent was launched, it is unclear how many are still working in broadcasting. The BBC is coy about the figures, saying only that a "majority" are in work. It denies exploiting Stevens, saying that TV presenters "don't last forever".

This new admission of reality is a long way from the blaze of publicity in which BBC Talent was launched five years ago. In 2000, the first year of the scheme, the BBC put 40 contracts up for grabs, ranging from news reporters to sitcom writers. The TV presenting jobs received almost 100,000 calls while more than 16,000 people inquired about the Radio 1 trainee scheme. No broadcaster had offered such an opportunity to land major contracts and traineeships before.

"The number of young people being fed in at the bottom end at much cheaper rates are displacing the people who are perhaps more expensive but could probably do the job of five younger people." And with the spectre of job cuts looming large over the BBC, the launch of the 2005 schemes is causing particular concern. Jeremy Dear, general secretary of the National Union of Journalists, says: "At a time when they are sacking thousands of staff, it seems somewhat inappropriate that they are not using the existing talent to the full and instead seeking to replace them with other people."

The BBC has said that it is committed to the programme for a further three years. Good news for aspiring broadcasters and producers, but not much comfort for those employees facing the axe.


Sorry for the length of the quote - I can't just put a link as MediaGuardian's now a subscription only service.
Svein
QUOTE (Stella MM @ Apr 6 2005, 11:19 AM)
Oh for god's sake. Surely the fact that Blackadder Back and Forth was a complete shambles should suggest to these 'high level executives' (i.e. Daddy's boys and girls with no braincells but plenty of high society connections) that bringing back the series would be a terrible idea.

The BBC's New Talent scheme also suggests they're running out of ideas. Get aspiring media students to compete for work at the BBC, nick all their ideas and not give them long-term employment:

QUOTE (The Guardian 5th April)

A waste of talents

Youngsters who won a place on the BBC's talent scheme found out there was no guarantee of a permanent job, writes Rob Harris

When Katey Siddall beat 12,000 rivals to a place on one of the BBC's talent schemes, she thought it would be the break that would launch her career. At 18 years old, soap fame and a promising acting career beckoned: "I thought I'd hit the big time," she says. Mal Young, then the BBC's head of continuing drama, appeared to agree: "With so many popular series being produced for BBC1 each year, we were delighted to find such excellent acting talent," he said at the time.

But two years after her early, promising success in the BBC Talent initiative, reality has bitten. Despite the promise of a contract for a major BBC drama series, Siddall appeared in only seven episodes of the daytime soap Doctors and is now going through more formal acting training at the University of Central Lancashire.

Hers is not an isolated case. One of the key elements of the BBC Talent project was Making It, the televised search for a children's TV presenter. Yet its winner, Maddy Stevens, below, who won a year-long contract with Children's BBC in 2002 after gruelling auditions and a viewers' vote, now works at the mobile phone retailer Carphone Warehouse after the BBC decided not to renew her contract.

Stevens finds the experience difficult to talk about, but her mother, Julia, says the BBC did not provide enough support and training for her daughter, who was then 19. "Maddy was terribly privileged to have been a winner of BBC Talent. She wore the badge well and she made a lot of money for them. But they exploited her. I knew something was wrong, yet she was too proud and wouldn't tell me. I ended up phoning the BBC myself to complain that they hadn't supported her. They replied: 'We don't teach people here.' They can't be allowed to get away with this: the sheer exploitation of young, free and able youngsters who bring a sense of imagination."

The experiences of Siddall and Stevens would appear to suggest that winning a place on BBC Talent is far from a guarantee of long-term employment: of the 600 contracts awarded to performers, writers, presenters, composers and programme makers in the five years since BBC Talent was launched, it is unclear how many are still working in broadcasting. The BBC is coy about the figures, saying only that a "majority" are in work. It denies exploiting Stevens, saying that TV presenters "don't last forever".

This new admission of reality is a long way from the blaze of publicity in which BBC Talent was launched five years ago. In 2000, the first year of the scheme, the BBC put 40 contracts up for grabs, ranging from news reporters to sitcom writers. The TV presenting jobs received almost 100,000 calls while more than 16,000 people inquired about the Radio 1 trainee scheme. No broadcaster had offered such an opportunity to land major contracts and traineeships before.

"The number of young people being fed in at the bottom end at much cheaper rates are displacing the people who are perhaps more expensive but could probably do the job of five younger people." And with the spectre of job cuts looming large over the BBC, the launch of the 2005 schemes is causing particular concern. Jeremy Dear, general secretary of the National Union of Journalists, says: "At a time when they are sacking thousands of staff, it seems somewhat inappropriate that they are not using the existing talent to the full and instead seeking to replace them with other people."

The BBC has said that it is committed to the programme for a further three years. Good news for aspiring broadcasters and producers, but not much comfort for those employees facing the axe.


Sorry for the length of the quote - I can't just put a link as MediaGuardian's now a subscription only service.
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I wonder if they'd be interested in a script about a couple of medieval reenactors trapped in the past?
Stella MM
Heh heh. Well, it's a much better idea than raping the dessicated corpse of Blackadder that's for sure.
whitey
I almost entered that Talent thing in the sit-com category but decided against it when I found out that the previous winner had been given a job writing for Two Pints of Shit.
whitey
QUOTE (Stella MM @ Apr 6 2005, 11:19 AM)
Sorry for the length of the quote
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That's alright, as long as nobody quotes your quote... wink.gif
Svein
QUOTE (Stella MM @ Apr 6 2005, 11:21 AM)
Heh heh. Well, it's a much better idea than raping the dessicated corpse of Blackadder that's for sure.
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Apparently, we were too late for that!

I think the only way now will be to mug Michael Grade...
Svein
QUOTE (whitey @ Apr 6 2005, 11:24 AM)
That's alright, as long as nobody quotes your quote... wink.gif
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Erm... uhm... cool.gif
Bunny Biscuits
So is this serious?
They are really going to make another Blackadder series?
whitey
QUOTE (Bunny Biscuits @ Apr 6 2005, 11:25 AM)
So is this serious?
They are really going to make another Blackadder series?
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The persistent rumours that Blackadder is to return for another series have surfaced once again.

However, the cunning plan appears to have the drawback that neither the cast nor the writers have yet been approached.

That would be a 'probably not.'
widowspider
I secretly would love another Blackadder series, but only if the same writers and cast came back. But then again, that's not really any guarantee of quality, seeing some of the dog turd that Curtis has produced since then. We can but hope.
whitey
QUOTE (widowspider @ Apr 6 2005, 11:36 AM)
I secretly would love another Blackadder series, but only if the same writers and cast came back. But then again, that's not really any guarantee of quality, seeing some of the dog turd that Curtis has produced since then. We can but hope.
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Yeah, Curtis. And Elton. And Atkinson...
rebelstar
QUOTE (whitey @ Apr 6 2005, 10:39 AM)
Elton
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He'd probably want to do it as a musical tribute...
Ingram
These rumours come about all too often, and although I think this one has more weight than the many others preceding it, it will still never happen. If there was a time to embark on a fifth series of the show then the time has really passed. Especially considering they've done "Blackadder Back and Forth" and so they have covered the periods from Richard III to the present day. With that in mind, where is there to go? One set in the future would be quite shit you have to agree. Plus going back in time would change everything the series was ever based on - the lineage of Edmund Blackadder.
Chapman Baxter
QUOTE (Ingram @ Apr 6 2005, 11:52 AM)
One set in the future would be quite shit you have to agree.
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Oh I don't know - I liked the future bit in Blackadder's Christmas Carol.

I don't intend to take this rumour seriously at least until the writers and performers have been approached about it!
whitey
How about we have an ideas whip-round for the apparently ailing broadcasting behemoth. I'm sure we can cook up a TV shitstorm.

Battle of the Gannets Fat fucks feast for fortunes.
Cheggers Plays Cop Keith Chegwin spends a year as a New York homicide detective. Can he cut it? How long before he's back on the booze?
A Touch of Cloth David Jason plays a miserable old detective with IBS.
Link
Lol, those sound a little bit like Alan Partridge's ideas for Tony Hayers ("Monkey Tennis?").

I know for a fact that Tony Robinson has a high disregard for his Blackadder years, so would be unlikely to do another one.

(My dad's on Time Team biggrin.gif )
Stella MM
QUOTE (Link @ Apr 6 2005, 12:45 PM)
(My dad's on Time Team  biggrin.gif )
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ohmy.gif

Oh please please tell me your dad's Phil? I heart him.

I can see why Tony wouldn't look back kindly on his Blackadder years: he spent a good portion of his acting career being known only for being a thickie.
Svein
QUOTE (Link @ Apr 6 2005, 12:45 PM)
I know for a fact that Tony Robinson has a high disregard for his Blackadder years, so would be unlikely to do another one.
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Not according Mr. Robinson when he was last asked!
Raven
QUOTE (Stella MM @ Apr 6 2005, 12:50 PM)
Oh please please tell me your dad's Phil? I heart him.
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Oo-arh, look! Dat bit o pipe's gat water in it!

Missed Sunday's, completely forgot about it whilst playing Jedi Outcast . . . wacko.gif
Cornetto
Little Britain is just repetitive and bland how funny is “Yeah I know” and “I’m the only gay in the village!” going to last???? The second series included shock tactics such as being sick over children and exposing the audience to a obese woman called ‘Bubbles’.
These things are signs of a failing series that people will eventually grow board of but it will be too late because people will continue to buy Little Britain merchandise and go see Little Britain Live and think this is really stale material just go away.
kateykinz
going back to that waste of talent thing, I've heard that the BBC are renowned for treating people like crap as they know that such a huge proportion of the population wants to work for them - they don't need to bother keeping their talent as someone else will come along begging to be given a chance.

My boyfriend's brother worked for the BBC doing IT support, was headhunted to project manage their Y2K project with a load of bigwigs, did a fantastic job and then was unceremoniously shunted back to the lowly IT helpdesk without a word of thanks. He left pretty soon afterwards totally disillusioned.
Raven
I don't have a problem with another series of Blackadder provided it's done well and isn't just the Beeb cashing in on a title. Only Fools and Horses anyone? wacko.gif
nixygirl
QUOTE (whitey @ Apr 6 2005, 09:39 PM)
Yeah, Curtis. And Elton. And Atkinson...
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yea that would be good...if it was fresh material.
I kinda think Curtis has been writing the same scripts now for years with different names, and character names.
And Ben God love him, still does the same stand up from the early ninties....
Rowan sold his soul when they made the Bean movie...travestythat it was!
And now they have a cartoon....a fucking cartoon!!!!!!!!!!

so altho I would weep with hapiness at the thought of it, it would soon turn to tears of hate if it was the same old jokes, and gags rehashed and played out yet again.
luvs nix
superfurryandy
The three of them no longer have any discernable talent - all they have now is their fame, and once you reach a certain level it seems that's all you need.
rebelstar
QUOTE (nixygirl @ Apr 6 2005, 01:41 PM)
yea that would be good...if it was fresh material.
I kinda think Curtis has been writing the same scripts now for years with different names, and character names.
And Ben God love him, still does the same stand up from the early ninties....
Rowan sold his soul when they made the Bean movie...travestythat it was!
And now they have a cartoon....a fucking cartoon!!!!!!!!!!

so altho I would weep with hapiness at the thought of it, it would soon turn to tears of hate if it was the same old jokes, and gags rehashed and played out yet again.
luvs nix
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I think whitey was being sarcastic, there...
Starscream`s Ghost
Blackadder finished with "Goes Forth", with "that" closing sequence. Can`t top perfection, and neither should they try.

Personally, I think all this by the Beeb is them shitting themselves, trying to mop up the last drops of gravy as it falls from the train that`s going to come to a very rapid halt in the next few years. Very very soon, all these top execs are going to be out of a job, and they know it, so they`re all clambering to mess public broadcasting as much as possible so they can say "I told you so" when the new regime takes over at Auntie, and can`t make head nor tail out of what`s going on there.

Besides, what does it matter? Who here can honestly say that their TV gets put on BBC1, 2 or 3 for any long amount of time? I know mine hardly ever strays there, usually for Doctor Who, and that`s about it. Usually, I`m watching films channels, cartoons, or channels that repeat everything, and are bloody proud of it, too.
widowspider
QUOTE (Stella MM @ Apr 6 2005, 12:50 PM)
ohmy.gif

Oh please please tell me your dad's Phil? I heart him.

I can see why Tony wouldn't look back kindly on his Blackadder years: he spent a good portion of his acting career being known only for being a thickie.
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Sorry nope! Link's dad is Guy de la Bedoyere, he's an archaeologist on the show. Even has an entry in IMDB. Cool, non?
Raven
QUOTE (widowspider @ Apr 6 2005, 02:25 PM)
Sorry nope! Link's dad is Guy de la Bedoyere, he's an archaeologist on the show. Even has an entry in IMDB. Cool, non?
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He's their Roman expert chap isn't he? huh.gif
superfurryandy
QUOTE (Starscream`s Ghost @ Apr 6 2005, 02:21 PM)
Who here can honestly say that their TV gets put on BBC1, 2 or 3 for any long amount of time?
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*puts hand up*

And 4 as well.
Starscream`s Ghost
QUOTE (superfurryandy @ Apr 6 2005, 03:42 PM)
*puts hand up*

And 4 as well.
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So you`re the BBC4 viewer!
Noodles
QUOTE (whitey @ Apr 6 2005, 06:32 AM)
How about we have an ideas whip-round for the apparently ailing broadcasting behemoth. I'm sure we can cook up a TV shitstorm.

Battle of the Gannets Fat fucks feast for fortunes.
Cheggers Plays Cop Keith Chegwin spends a year as a New York homicide detective. Can he cut it? How long before he's back on the booze?
A Touch of Cloth David Jason plays a miserable old detective with IBS.
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I've been in work for 20 minutes and already I've messed up my trousers.



Before I go and hunt out a change of pants, I'd just like to say this to the BBC:
No. NO! Don't ruin Blackadder for all of us who enjoyed the first four seasons. Come up with some new good stuff. We know you can do it, occasionally, look at 15 Storeys High (which you have failed to recomission, but hey, it's just about the maths isn't it). If you want to make more series of a show then choose something that can't get any shitter, like Gimme Gimme Gimme or the Thin Blue Line or something.
gulfcoast_highwayman
QUOTE (Stella MM @ Apr 6 2005, 11:19 AM)
Oh for god's sake. Surely the fact that Blackadder Back and Forth was a complete shambles should suggest.........................
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And I thought I was the only one. Blackadder reached it's peak in series II. I get sick of being told how much of a comedy classic it was. Series 3 was seriously poor in places and 4 not much better. Capt. Darling? 'Allo 'Allo turf I'm afraid.
Shack
QUOTE (Noodles @ Apr 6 2005, 02:55 PM)
I've been in work for 20 minutes and already I've messed up my trousers.
Before I go and hunt out a change of pants, I'd just like to say this to the BBC:
No. NO! Don't ruin Blackadder for all of us who enjoyed the first four seasons. Come up with some new good stuff. We know you can do it, occasionally, look at 15 Storeys High (which you have failed to recomission, but hey, it's just about the maths isn't it). If you want to make more series of a show then choose something that can't get any shitter, like Gimme Gimme Gimme or the Thin Blue Line or something.
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Agreed in full.

How does Two Pints of Lager and a packet of crisps continually get re-commissioned? They can make as many series of that as they like as it won't spoil what is already, essentially, a gone-off haddock.
whitey
QUOTE (Noodles @ Apr 6 2005, 03:55 PM)
I've been in work for 20 minutes and already I've messed up my trousers.
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Touch of Cloth is my favourite, I've been using that gag for years.
widowspider
QUOTE (Raven @ Apr 6 2005, 03:01 PM)
He's their Roman expert chap isn't he?  huh.gif
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Yup.
Raven
QUOTE (Starscream`s Ghost @ Apr 6 2005, 02:21 PM)
Who here can honestly say that their TV gets put on BBC1, 2 or 3 for any long amount of time?
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Yep, although a lot of the stuff I watch is on C4.
superfurryandy
QUOTE (Starscream`s Ghost @ Apr 6 2005, 03:52 PM)
So you`re the BBC4 viewer!
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I'm not the only one - we do it in shifts.
Ingram
I was having a chat about movies with a friend of mine and he said that the only films he watched anymore were foreign ones on BBC4, I had to slap him. That has to be the most pretentious channel... I mean I've watched a few programmes on there when there is something genuinely interesting but honestly...
beatoswald
QUOTE (Ingram @ Apr 6 2005, 06:56 PM)
I was having a chat about movies with a friend of mine and he said that the only films he watched anymore were foreign ones on BBC4, I had to slap him.  That has to be the most pretentious channel... I mean I've watched a few programmes on there when there is something genuinely interesting but honestly...
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i don't see why bbc4 is pretentious. theres nothing wrong with programmes which arent geared primarily towards entertainment. i haven't watched much of the channel as i just have terrestrial at home but from what i've seen (some films, atheism tapes, the dvd collection) i found it more interesting than most bbc programming.
MissingPlanet
BBC4 shows The Mark Steel Lectures, making me their occasional other viewer.
gulfcoast_highwayman
And showed a Nanci Griffith concert last year making me the third.
feck off!
How many add-ons have there been to only fools and horses? I know they did a follow on from 'time on our hands' but i can't remember if there were others. Do they squander their wealth? huh.gif
PrincessKate
QUOTE (MissingPlanet @ Apr 6 2005, 08:49 PM)
BBC4 shows The Mark Steel Lectures, making me their occasional other viewer.
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And QI
pots
QUOTE (beatoswald @ Apr 6 2005, 07:27 PM)
i don't see why bbc4 is pretentious. theres nothing wrong with programmes which arent geared primarily towards entertainment. i haven't watched much of the channel as i just have terrestrial at home but from what i've seen (some films, atheism tapes, the dvd collection) i found it more interesting than most bbc programming.
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yeah too right. when they repeat bbc4 shows on bbc2 they are always interesting and worth watching. i like tv that chooses to treat its audience as intelligent grown ups.

but then i listen to radio 4 too.
widowspider
Nothing wrong with radio 4. I don't listen to it that often, but it has some fantastic programmes.
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