Unless you have been living on another planet (forgive the pun) you may have noticed that there is a new Star Wars film being released this week.

This thread is for the general discussion of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and SPOILERS ARE ALLOWED!!

Please note that there is also a spoiler free thread and the on-going Star Wars thread is still open here for discussion about the future of the franchise, DVD releases and comments on the original trilogy etc.

Oh my god, Anakin is Luke's father!

Holy smokes! Mace Windu isn't real! My life is ruined....

Are you ready for this *SPOILERS AHEAD!!*


Anakin becomes Darth Vader at the end!!!

I didn't see that coming!!

Just got back from seeing it and overall I really liked it. There were a few unintentional laughs though. Especially when Mace confronted Palpatine. I could have done without the "Noooooo!" scream from suited Vader at the end but all in all I enjoyed it immensely.

I'd heard such bad things about Natalie Portman but I thought she did really well considering her role was so small. I think Hayden was good too. To say Anakin turned because of some bad dreams ( ), he made it very believable. Ian McDiarmid was just as good as ever but as I say, most of the scenes that got a bad reception were concerned with Palpatine.

I had a good time. Plus I got to see people dressed up as Jedi and Vader and I'm pretty sure there was a Jawa there too.

R2 knows...

Just got back.

Better than the first two (to damn with faint praise) but still very poor.

The action sequneces were good but the dialogue was appalling, as was most of the acting. Christiansen (sp?) should get a refund from his acting coach.

Never mind Darth's scream, what about his Frankenstein's Monster walk?

'Not If anything to do with it, I have' Officially the worst line ever..

Not too handy for Windu when Anakin showed up at palpies eh?

-m0r

Overall, i'd give it an 8/10, thoroughly enjoyable, Ewan McGregor was really good as Obi Wan and I thought that he did really well in the scene where he is leaving to confront Grievious and is saying bye to Anakin. There was a genuine sense that they were friends at that point and he had a distinct sense of pride about him.

There was some awful dialogue and some bits could have been done better, but the series has hardly ever been known for it's great dialogue has it? Action scenes, and particularly the lightsaber fights were fantastic, the slaughter of the Jedi was quite moving to watch. Dark in tone, not quite as dark as ESB, but still dark. Kashyyyk and the Wookies were sool, though they weren't in it much.

Christensen's acting was better than in previous outings but it was more to do with his dialogue than his actual acting ability. Particular lowpoints would be his scenes with Portman, such dreadful romantic, ahem, lines, and some of his acting in the early scenes. I did think that he carried off Anakin's turning quite well, and I felt that Lucas came up with a fairly decent idea by having Anakin turn because he felt that he could save Padme, when, of course, he would eventually kill her.

It approaches the brilliance of the original trilogy but just falls short, still miles better than the first two prequels. Lucas managed to wrap up the various plotholes that most of the fans would have worried about i.e. how could Vader not know that he had children or not realise that Luke was with his known relatives.

I have to admit though, Vader's 'NOOOOOOO' at the end of the film has to be one of the funniest moments in movie history.

That was intended.

I thought it was bloody brilliant.

Hooray. Just seen it and loved it. My gripes are few but here they are.

1) Darth Vaders Tim Bisley impression at the end.

2) The gay robots

3) Younglings. Pah.

4) It goes on a bit long. I really needed a wee badly by the end.


Still I loved it. It sets up the next trilogy really well and has wiped my memory of the abominable Phantom Menace.

ps. I don't think the above are spoilers. Apologies if they are.

Just saw it, OMFG, was very cool but annoyed me in places.

I don't know about you guys but when I saw the younglings coming out from behind the chairs towards Anakin I was like

I have to admit that i actually felt pain in my heart when the jedi were all taken out, it was so cruel to see the soldiers turn on them and shoot them in the back.

Yeah and only a few of them had the chance to fight back, and those that did did quite well. Just unexpected and cruelly outnumbered. Lucas did it really well though, I was always expecting the extermination of the Jedi to be different but I was happy with that interpretation.

I imagined that the death of the Jedi would be a long protracted hunt, but I suppose it would make more sense to exterminate them all in one go and when they were surprised, it was just heartbreaking to see them destroyed and having the Senate cheering the Emperor, since they were basically being accused of a crime they didn't commit and having everyone think the wrong thing about them.

I don't know why, but I thought that Obi Wan should have said ''Bye. See you in 20 years'' at the end, would have been a laugh. Maybe on outtakes on the DVD...

Well Obi Wan referenced the next trilogy SO much. I feel the same way about the hunt for the Jedi, I always imagined one Jedi can pretty much kick the crap out of anyone - except another Jedi and so it would have been longer. But the fact that they were betrayed unawares makes sense too.

Also I was a little annoyed with Padme. In the first two she was rather politically astute but in this one she was a bit of a bimbo. Only near the end did her character actually pick up when she said one line on "The Death of Liberty". Oh, and the Padme/Anakin lovey dovey stuff was a little off...

"I love you more."
"No I love YOU more."
"NO you're beautiful"
"Only 'cause you love me."

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damn.damn.damn. that was great. i came on the verge of tears at about 3 times, but actually shed a tear or two when padme said 'luke'! oh, im such a baby.

One question, Leia has memories of her birth mother... but Padme dies in childbirth... Lucas clears up a lot of questions but that's one thing I think that had to be done - least of all to completely turn Vader, with her there was a chance he could be turned back sooner.

She said that she had memories of her mother, that doesn't mean that she remembered Padme, it could mean that she remembered Bail Organa's wife, who she believed to be her mother.

Luke specifically asked for her real mother because he wanted to know about his mother - Padme. Leia always knew she was adopted.

Did she? I don't remember her actually saying that she was adopted...

Well the impression I got from what she said in ROTJ was she remembered enough of her real mother to know she was adopted.

I know it did sort of give that impression, but it wasn't explicit, so i think we can assume that leia didn't realise that she was adopted, since she was considered to be a Princess of Alderaan even though she wasn't Organa's child, so assumingly she was unaware that she was adopted, and the term 'real mother' that Luke used might just have caught her off-guard or something

i bought a grievous figure after seeing the film.

does this make me too much of a nerd?

Nope, acting out scenes from the film might push you over the edge...

What a bloody awful film!

Words fail me, they really do . . .

Except to say maian, I'm sorry, but you're wrong! Leia was talking about her birth mother in Jedi, Lucas fucked up again - but what else is new?

Possibly not, but just to be on the safe side I've moved it across to the spoiler section . . .

What was the deal with Yoda going on about Qui Gon at the end? Obi Wan will be learning from him? Seemed a little superfluous... unless that is some set up for Star Wars - the TV series.

I think that was supposed to explain why Kenobi and Yoda fade away when they are killed but other Jedi don't - basically Qui-Gon has contacted Yoda from the afterlife to tell them how to live forever.

At least that was my take on it . . . (and yes, I realise it doesn't make sense as well!).

It does make sense. It explains why all the Jedi that are killed don't fade away in the cool way they did in the original trilogy - Lucas obviously didnt factor in LOADS of Jedis in the prequels dying. Anyway, Qui-Gon was always very powerful and becoming 'living force' or whatever after death and then explaining it to Yoda means that him and Obi Wan fading away in the originals is explained. However Anakins appearance at the end can be quite confusing - although the fact he was powerful too might be a reason...

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Oh ok, think I see what you mean.

Thought it was the best of the prequels, but still not great. There was some good stuff in there though. Didn't like what they'd done to the lightsabres though - they seemed kinda extra glowy and suddenly had pointed ends too. I know that the fight between Obi Wan and Anakin is pretty fast paced, but the sabres just seemed like one great blur all the time. Best sabre fight for me is still Qui Gon, Obi and Darth Maul.

I thought that Obi Wan fought really well in this one, much better than his shoddy performance in Clones. He did well against General Grievious and the four lightsabres.

So why didn't Qui-Gon fade away then? (and if he only found out how to live forever after he died then surely that means there must be an afterlife in which case he wouldn't need to tell Yoda how to live forever because he would when he died!).

This still doesn't make any sense . . .

I'm need a pint - that makes perfect sense . . .

He was the first to do it, hence no fading. The afterlife is a sketchy issue, don't make me get into philosophy with you Raven - least of all a fictional philosophy about a fictional religion. My interpretation is that Qui-Gon continued to exist through the force being not being able to influence things in the traditional sense but commune with others (those that had a talent for the force most likely) as Obi Wan does with Luke in "A New Hope".

Best not to take it too seriously. Thats for Trekkies. I really enjoyed it.

I like to luke/look at it like Obi-Wan hadn't felt Jinnsters properly died/been sliced in half/ REALLY DIES so he might have gone on for a bit until that happens...

What I don't get is that why no-one on the jedi council understands the imbalance of Anakin, you'd think they'd feel that surely...eh?

That and the jedi twins/twunts

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-m0r

It shat all over the Matrix. Natalie Portmans gone bald for the new Wachowskis film apparently.

I argured this same point when i was leaving the theatre.
My theory on this is that her memories from her are from childbirth. Even if she didn't see her mother though her own eyes, (because from what I saw Padmé only had close contact with Luke) given her midichlorian count, she might have been looking though Luke's eyes, or to moments of the past she's just taken as her own memories.



My son was in tears when Anakin made his choice, when the Jedi were being slain, and when he realized what Anakin was about to to to the 'younglings'.

[edit = he was breaking MY heart]

Another problem i had with the movie was the fact that Obi Wan just left Anakin on the ground after he'd beaten him, there's nothing really stopping him from finishing the job. I know Anakin has to survive for the story but i think it could of been done better, the fact he just left him there alive just makes no sense to me.

Mercy. Or, not wanting to deal the death blow himself.

But his mission from Yoda was to kill him and he obviously knew what the consiquences of keeping him alive would be, i dunno i just think it could of been done better like maybe Anakin looking dead and Obi Wan walking away thinking he had killed him.

We're gonna have to disagree on that. I thought it was blinding! I loved every second of it... (well, mostly every second... Lucas still can't write romance), but that was one of the greatest rollercoaster rides that I've ever been on!

I'm gonna see it again this weekend... Loved it. Words fail me...

The Mace Windu/Palpatine fight... especially the changing of Palpatine into the wrinkled Emperor was absolutely bleeding fucking great!!!!!!!

Well... he was cut to pieces and on fire... Most people would think that dealing a deathblow would be a bit of an overkill there!

And there were a couple of shots of Obi-Wan with his hood up and I was looking at a young, bearded Alec Guinness...

This, for me, is up there with Empire for sheer entertainment....

And I LOVED THE FACT THAT ONLY 3POs MEMORIES GET ERASED!!! R2 KNOWS ALL!

A flawed but thoroughly entertaining film. Lucas is a storyteller and here I think he suceeded admirably. A great story told in a compelling manner - you certainly couldn't be bored. It was also pretty darn funny (I think intentionally) and I hate to admit it but a lone tear did roll down my cheek as Anakin slid into the inevitable.

Silly and loud? Yes. In need of some better dialogue? Certainly.

Good fun - Completely!

Yoda's throwing of the Imperial Guard had me in stitches, as did R2 throughout the entire opening 20 minutes. R2 in the hanger was priceless... He still is the best written character in the entire Sixtet (what do you call 6 movies?)

I watched ROTJ last night and Leia says its feelings she remembers, and the force music plays in the background, so I reckon it's her inner force that helps her remember

-m0r

Yep I watched it last night too. I felt like I had to! I'm such a pussy.

Anyway, I think it is an obvious error, but since this is fiction and the story belongs to Lucas he could explain it away in many ways if he wanted to and we'd have to accept it.

Total bollocks.

I saw it last night and thought it was such a let-down.

Most of the weak aspects have been mentioned by other people - the awful dialogue in particular, so I won't go on too much about that.

My main problem is the sprawling mess of it all. The screen is stuffed full of things flying about and exploding to the point where discerning any real detail becomes impossible, and the action washes over you like static. The skipping about to various locations gave the film a rushed, unfocused feel. None of the new planets were explored in anywhere near the amount of detail that gave the original trilogy locations their distinctive character. The lightsabre sequences were badly directed, with none of the balletic grace or impact of the 3-way fight in Episode I. All those months of training and rehearsals gone, replaced by a blur of light and noise.

Sections of the action (particularly Obi-Wan, bouncing around on his stupid lizard) were utterly ridiculous. There was no sense of tension or danger, with one death-defying stunt after another rendering any potential drama impotent. I was actually embarassed during long sections at the unbelievability of it all. Genral Grievous was a massive disappointment - he had none of the approaching menace that Darth Maul had, instead being dispatched, one arm at a time, rather easily for someone who was supposed to be a Jedi slayer.

Some of the effects were strong - the Grievous character being especially well-rendered and animated, but the trouble with being able to create anything you want is doing just that. Anakin and Kenobi's fight on floating platforms above the lava were so obviously green-screened that again there was no tension, because I simply didn't believe what I was seeing.

The only strong points were the 'darker' sections, notably Anakin's murder of the younglings, and his pledging allegiance to Palpatine, which were handled well, and without pyrotechnics - see, real drama needs no explosions to be powerful. A stand-out scene was a rather beautifully paced and scored section with no dialogue, simply cuts between Padme and Anakin as they stare out, reflective and moody respectively, to an uncharacteristic and therefore highly effective quiet choral piece by John Williams.

I could go on, but I've got to do some work today.

Bah!

After the shot of Obi Wan going into a little hide-away room in padme's ship my mate turned to me and said 'is he going to the toilet?', made me laugh out loud.



Yeah that was damn cool, yoda really is the badboy and with the throwing of senate seats was bloody epic!

Now I've had time to sleep on it (I was a bit... conphused after seeing it)...

I think Zoe summed up my feelings about ROTS exactly.

It was certainly entertaining, and I definitely want to see it again - which I didn't feel at all after seeing TPM and AOTC. Here's a few thoughts.

Even "Frankenvader" didn't bother me all that much, he had just had mechanical legs attached to his stumps, he'd hardly have slinked off the operating table and performed a little tap routine.

The shot of the mask being lowered onto a terrified Anakin, and the following shot of his first mechanical breath was magical, and iconic as it should have been.

The little shot of Yoda crawling up onto Chewie's back was cute.

I just wish the youngling didn't open his mouth when confronted by Anakin, his line delivery was the worst I've ever seen, he must have been reading it off an idiot board. The whole audience exploded with laughter and it totally ruined the moment.

Palpatine's transfomation, despite being way OTT, was still cool, and him frying Mace, and sending him flying out of window shrieking "ULTIMATE POWER!" was a great bit of panto. But what the fuck was wrong with his voice after that? It sounded like he was going through a 3 minute puberty, I wasn't sure if there was something wrong with the sound or if it was intentional.

R2 was wonderful, and the audience loved him. And the fact that his memory isn't wiped is a great move. Just watch his behaviour in the first half of Episode IV, his determination to get in the escape pod, his insistance in going off in a certain direction after landing on Tatooine, his fooling Luke to remove the restraining bolt so he could run off to find Obi Wan. He knows what's at stake!

Obi Wan's speech to burning Anakin was a real choker, the first time in the prequels I actually felt a strong emotion.

The film has seemed to be very divisive among people I know who have seen it.